Bob Lazar should be an important part of any website dealing with Area 51. He will always be linked to Area 51 and the conspiracies that continue to surround this fascinating place. I believe that much of what Bob Lazar says is "way out there". Each individual will have to decide for themselves what to make of Bob Lazar. The only thing I can say for sure is that he is an important part of the Area 51 machine. I think the letter at the end of this page sums up the Bob Lazar story pretty well. The following is a brief overview of his time at Area 51 and a great interview by George Knapp.
Robert Scott Lazar, better known to the UFO community as Bob Lazar, claims to have worked on an alien craft for the U.S. Government at Area 51. Lazar's story starts in June of 1982, where he claims to have met Dr. Edward Teller, before a lecture. At this time, Lazar supposedly worked for Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. In 1988, after leaving Los Alamos, Lazar wrote a letter to Teller and mentioned he was job hunting. He soon received a call from Dr. Teller, followed by a call for an interview at EG&G (Edger, Germeshausen & Grier) Special Projects. Lazar says he was interviewed and hired by agents from the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). He initially believed he was hired for work on an advanced propulsion system, and later heard that he was to replace one of three scientists who had been killed in an attempt to cut into an alien power plant reactor. Lazar claims that he was actually hired to study and reverse-engineer the power plant from an alien craft. The location of his place of work was S-4, sometimes referred to as Dreamland, the Ranch, or Skunk Works, about fifteen miles south of Area 51. According to Lazar, S-4 consisted of a complex facility with serveral hangers built into the side of a mountain.
To prepare him for his new job, he says he was required to read some 200 pages of briefing documents. Bob claims that within these blue booklets was information regarding the aliens and their technology, along with other supposed secret government projects. Some of these projects included the study of gravity drive, referred to as "Galileo", looking back in time, known as "Looking Glass", and a neutron beam weapon codenamed "Sidekick". All of these projects were said to be under a program called "Project Overview". According to the documents, aliens have been visiting Earth for a millennia and they refer to it as Sol 3. They claim that man is the result of 65 genetic corrections made over thousands of years. One group of aliens, referred to as "The Kids", came from the Zeta Reticuli star system. The documents stated that religion was given to man so he would have rules and regulations for the purpose of not damaging the containers. The "container" would refer to our physical bodies, but it is uncertain whether they referred to us as containers for the soul, or containers of DNA.
According to Bob, he worked at S-4 from December of 1988, to April of 1989. He claims to have worked on one of nine alien crafts stored in hangers there. He says the alien craft's power source was a matter/antimatter reactor, similar to our nuclear reactors but about the size of a soccer ball. This reactor produced waves that nullified gravity through the use of a super-heavy substance, he named Element 115, after its theoretical atomic number. Lazar said that one of the saucers looked like it had been hit by a large caliber projectile because it had a hole that ran from the bottom, up through the top with the metal bent outward. He claims to have also witnessed a short test flight of one of the crafts. Lazar's clearance was supposedly denied because he was viewed as a security risk when a tapped phoneline revealed he was having marital problems. Prior to leaving his work at S-4, Lazar took five friends to the mountains surrounding Area 51 to watch the lights of UFO's being flown there.
It's hard to evaluate Lazar's incredible claims. EG&G and Los Alamos National Laboratory have stated that they never heard of him, although a 1982 Los Alamos laboratory internal phone book lists "Robert Lazar" along with other scientists. Other employees have been found that have confirmed that Bob had worked with them at Los Alamos on top-secret work, concerning the SDI Star Wars project. Lazar has also been able to produce a W-2 Wage and Tax Statement for 1989. It shows the employer as United States Department of Naval Intelligence, Washington D.C., and an OMB identification number listed as E-6722MAJ. Following several death threats and a supposed shooting attempt, Lazar decided to go public with his story, in order to protect himself. He figured that once the information was out there, he would be left alone. He felt that they did not do things for revenge, but only to keep the information hidden in the first place. It would be too obvious if something were to happen to him, after he went public. Many believe that Lazar's education and work records have been intentionally destroyed, altered or hidden, because even the school he claims to have attended, has no record of him. Others think that he is a total fraud who wanted the spotlight for a time. Others think that he may have been used to leak certain information to the public as a plan to prepare us for the truth. Whatever the case, the only logical thing that anyone could do to Lazar after he told his story, would be to discredit him in any way possible so no one would believe him. Many argue that this has been accomplished.
(The above copy of a document is a page from the phone listing at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
The sixth name down on the list is Robert Lazar.)
Click on the link below to see Bob Lazar talk about his work at Area S4
Here is a video of George Knapp interviewing Bob Lazar
If you mention Bob Lazar, George Knapp can't be far behind. Here is the transcript to an interview George did with Bob. George Knapp is by far the best investigative journalist alive!
KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, Nevada George Knapp, producer/host Bob Lazar, guest
George Knapp: Hello, and welcome to On the Record. One month ago, we began a series of reports about UFOs. With the exception of a few cranky newspaper people, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. We've had requests for more information from all over the country and from all over the world. Tonight we're going to delve a little deeper into the subject with the man who was the impetus for our report in the first place, Bob Lazar.
Bob, good to have you here. A thumbnail sketch of yourself for those who might not be familiar with your background.
Robert Lazar: I worked at Los Alamos National Lab.
Knapp: As a physicist?
Lazar: As a physicist, and hired as a senior staff physicist at Area S- 4, for what I was told anyway was the United States Navy.
Knapp: Where is S-4?
Lazar: It's about 10 to 15 miles south of Groom Lake, about 125 miles north of Las Vegas.
Knapp: How did you get the job?
Lazar: I really don't want to mention the guy who I got it through. But I was referred to a person at EG&G to drop off my resume to, that's where I was interviewed, though the job is completely unrelated to EG&G.
Knapp: What did they tell you you were going to be doing? Or did they tell you?
Lazar: No, they really didn't tell me until the very end. They said a high-technology job, something that I'd be very interested in.
Knapp: Okay, so you get hired. And what happens? Do you fly up there?
Lazar: Fly up there. First day was reading briefings and that sort of thing. And it became evident to me pretty quickly the level of technology they were dealing with: gravitational propulsion and things that science has really only barely touched on.
Knapp: We'll get into the things that you saw in a couple of minutes. But it's been about a little more than three weeks since your identity was made public. We had you on another program a couple of months ago using an assumed name and having you in silhouette, but since your identity has been made public and since this information has been made public, what's it been like? What's been the response from people that see you on the street?
Lazar: The response has been almost all favorable. In fact, everyone that I've run into has been very supportive, very interested. I guess there's just two or three letters -
Knapp: - from people that don't believe you?
Lazar: Yeah. Essentially.
Knapp: Responses from other media outlets as well?
Lazar: Yeah.
Knapp: They want to interview you? What do they want?
Lazar: Essentially everything, yes. Radio interviews, TV interviews. A lot of people want to dig back into my background and re-trace everything.
Knapp: Many of the people who have been calling - calling us as well - were under the impression that either you've gone underground or you've been silenced or we've been silenced by dark and sinister forces. Anything like that happen to you so far?
Lazar: That's ridiculous. People are always going over the deep end on that. And no one's told me other than originally not to say anything. And I'm sure no one's come forward to you.
Knapp: But in the beginning, they told you to keep quiet about this.
Lazar: Oh yeah! It's the most secret program in the United States.
Knapp: In what way did they try to make sure you kept your mouth shut?
Lazar: Everything up to death threats. I mean constant reminders of it, signing away my constitutional rights for fair trial and that sort of thing.
Knapp: And since this thing, your phone's been tapped, you believe?
Lazar: Yeah, I believe. I have a tap detector, and occasionally after I pick up the phone, a little red light goes on.
Knapp: The reason you came forward with the information to begin with? Is it related to the fact that they were bothering you?
Lazar: Yeah, it was essentially to stop that. What had happened was, I sent in a request for my birth certificate, and as it turned out it wasn't there anymore, that I wasn't born at the hospital! And that kind of got me wondering what's going on. I put in a request for some other information, previous jobs, and that was also gone, and I thought something had to be done before I disappeared.
Knapp: The same thing it was Los Alamos? They've never heard of you?
Lazar: Yeah.
Knapp: Anything happened since the reports have aired?
Knapp: You were worried about your life though for a while there, weren't you?
Lazar: That was one of the reasons to come on and let everything out on the air, it's a little of insurance.
Knapp: Are you worried any more? Do you get the feeling you're over the hump?
Lazar: To some degree, yeah.
Knapp: Do you find that most people really believe you or that they just want more information?
Lazar: I think a lot of people believe what I said, but the majority I think do just want more information, too. It's an in-depth subject.
Knapp: Let's look at some of the technology you saw. When did you first get the idea, what's the first thing you saw that made you convinced that it's not from here?
Lazar: The first thing was hands-on experience with the anti-matter reactor.
Knapp: Explain what that is and how it works and what it does.
Lazar: It's a plate about 18 inches in diameter with a sphere on top.
Knapp: We have a tape of a model that a friend of yours made. You can narrate along. There it is.
Lazar: Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in there. That's a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any other of the workings of it, I really don't know, you know, [such as] what's inside the bottom of it . . . 115 sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons off the gravity wave, and that's later amplified in the lower portion of the craft. But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp: Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really, really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Working parts?
Lazar: None detectable. Essentially, what the job was was to back- engineer everthing, where you have a finished product and to step backwards and find out how it was made or how it could be made with earthly materials. There hasn't been very much progress.
Knapp: How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar: It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp: What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it do?
Lazar: It converts anti-matter . . . It doesn't convert anti-matter! There's an annihilation reaction. It's an extremely powerful reaction, a hundred percent conversion of matter to energy, unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is somewhere around eight-tenths of one percent conversion of matter to energy.
Knapp: How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
Lazar: Really, once the 115 is put in, the reaction is initiated.
Knapp: Automatic.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: I don't understand. I mean, there's no button to push or anything?
Lazar: No, there's no button to push or anything. Apparently, the 115 under bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle. This anti-matter particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some target system inside the reactor. This, in turn, releases heat, and somewhere within that system there is a one-hundred-percent- efficient thermo ionic generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
Knapp: How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you were talking about earlier?
Lazar: Well, that reactor serves two purposes; it provides a tremendous amount of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The gravitational wave gets formed at the sphere, and that's through some action of the 115, and the exact action I don't think anyone really knows. The wave guide siphons off that gravity wave, and that's channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part where there are three gravity amplifiers, which amplify and direct that gravity wave.
Knapp: In essence creating their own gravitational field.
Lazar: Their own gravitational field.
Knapp: You're fairly convinced that science on earth doesn't have this technology right now? We have it now at S-4, I guess, but we didn't create it?
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Why not? Why couldn't we?
Lazar: The technology's not even—we don't even know what gravity is!
Knapp: Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?
Lazar: Gravity is a wave. There are many different theories, wave included. It's been theorized that gravity is also particles, gravitons, which is also incorrect. But gravity is a wave. The basic wave they can actually tap off of an element: why that is I' m not exactly sure.
Knapp: So you can produce your own gravity. What does that mean? What does that allow you to do?
Lazar: It allows you to do virtually anything. Gravity distorts time and space. By doing that, now you're into a different mode of travel, where instead of traveling in a linear method going from Point A to B, now you can distort time and space to where you essentially bring the mountain to Mohammad, you almost bring your destination to you without moving. And since you're distorting time, all this takes place in between moments of time. It's such a far-fetched concept!
Knapp: Of course, what the UFO skeptics say is, yeah, there's life out there elsewhere in the universe, it can never come here, it's just too darn far. With the kind of technology you're talking about, it makes such considerations irrelevant about distance and time and things like that.
Lazar: Exactly, because when you are distorting time, there's no longer a normal reference of time. And that's what producing your own gravity does.
Knapp: You can go forward or backward in time? Is that's what you're saying?
Lazar: No, not essentially. It would be easier with a model. On the bottom side of the disk are the three gravity generators. When they want to travel to a distant point, the disk turns on its side. The three gravity generators produce a gravitational beam. What they do is they converge the three gravity generators onto a point and use that as a focal point; and they bring them up to power and pull that point towards the disk. The disk itself will attach onto that point and snap back as they release space back to that point! Now all this happens in the distortion of time, so time is not incrementing. So the speed is essentially infinite.
Knapp: We'll get into the disks in a moment. But the first time you saw the anti-matter reactor in operation or a demonstration, you had a couple of demonstrations, tell me about that.
Lazar: The first time I saw it in operation, we just put- a friend I worked with, Barry - put the fuel in the reactor, put the lid on as, as was shown there. Immediately, a gravitational field developed, and he said, "Feel it!" And it felt like you bring two like poles of a magnet together, you can do that with your hand. And it was fascinating to do that, impossible, except on something with great mass! And obviously this is just a . . . And it was a repulsion field. In fact, we kind of fooled around with it for a little while. And we threw golf balls off it. And it was just a really unique thing.
Knapp: And you had other demonstrations to show you that this is pretty wild stuff, right?
Lazar: Yeah, they did. They were able to channel the field off in a demonstration that they created an intense gravitational area. And you began to see a small little black disk form, and that was the bending of the light.
Knapp: Just like a black hole floating around?
Lazar: Yeah, well, a black hole is a bad analogy, but yeah, essentially.
Knapp: And they gave you some kind of demonstration about time, involving a candle? Explain how that works.
Lazar: Yeah, they took a candle and lit it and put it in the distorted gravitational field, which distorts time, and the candle just stood there. It didn't melt or burn. It was really unbelievable!
Knapp: You had to be floored by seeing all this.
Lazar: Oh, I was! That's why I'm kind of laughing about it now because it must sound ridiculous to everyone. But it's just phenomenal. I mean this is really alien technology.
Knapp: About the 115: We talked a little bit about it in the series of reports. Explain what it is again and why you believe it could not be manufactured here.
Lazar: Okay, it's a super-heavy element: On the periodic chart, which lists all the elements found on earth and that can be synthesized, I think the highest element we've synthesized has been about Element 106. Now from 103 - or actually, anything higher than plutonium up - the half-life begins to drop; in other words, the element disintegrates. When you get up to Element 106, it's only around for a very small amount of time. Even science today theorizes that up around Element 113 to 116 - somewhere in there - they should again become stable. This is in fact true. That's what Element 115 is, it's a stable element. To synthesize it would be impossible. The way we synthesize heavy elements is, we take a stable element like bismuth or something like that, or plutonium, whatever, put it in an accelerator, and bombard it with protons. Essentially what you're trying to do is plug in protons into the atoms and increase the atomic number. To do that to the level of Element 115 would just take an infinite amount of power and an infinite amount of time.
Knapp: What kinds of things, what capabilities would a heavy element like this have - I mean other than producing power? Obviously, it can produce a lot of power, right?
Lazar: It in itself is not anti-matter. It just has a unique property of producing it. Any of the other basic properties it has I really don't know of. But using just the anti-matter-producing property, the potential for a weapon is staggering! It's absolutely staggering!
Knapp: Like what? A pound of it: what could it do?
Lazar: Well, 2.2 pounds is the energy equivalent of 47 10-megaton hydrogen bombs. I mean, it's a good bang! And a pound of a super-heavy element is maybe the size of a plum or something like that.
Knapp: I guess what I've heard most from people who just don't buy the whole story is that sure, maybe you work at an area called S-4, and maybe it is a secret area, but what you were shown is stuff that we've made. That we made this 115 - if it is 115 - that we made the flying disks, that we made these anti-matter reactors, because these are advances that you just don't know about.
Lazar: Hardly. [Lazar laughs.]
Knapp: Why not?
Lazar: Well, the 115, it's impossible. And the fact that the main job of everyone there is to find out how everything's made, I mean that just contradicts everything right off the bat. The materials are completely alien to us, and just the overall idea of the project is: Hey, can we duplicate this with materials that we have here? So obviously, it was something that was found or given, for that matter, and we're just trying to duplicate it.
Knapp: The 115: Where do you suppose it came from then? I mean, what kind of environment would that kind of element come from?
Lazar: The only place that 115 could be made would have to be in a natural situation, somewhere maybe on the fringes of a supernova or somewhere around maybe a binary star system, where there was more mass in the primordial mix of that system, where heavier elements would have had a chance to form, when the stars were collapsing and there were huge amounts of energy being released. It's something along these lines, it has to be a naturally-occurring element.
Knapp: You saw an anti-matter reactor. You saw gravity-propulsion systems in flying disks, flying saucers. You saw this Element 115. You also read a series of reports that had other stunning information. Can you give an overview of the kind of things that were in these reports?
Lazar: The reason I didn't do that before was, first of all they were just reports. Everything else I had hands-on experience with. Now there was lots of strange information in the reports, but there again it's just printed material and it could be disinformation. I don't know. But certainly, the information I did read in the reports about 115, the disks, the grav - I mean, that all had material that related to that. The reports went into aliens and even went along the lines of religious-
Knapp: Well, we can let our audience know. I mean we discussed this, when we were putting this series of reports together, whether to get into the alien thing or not, and we decided not to for the time being. It's not like you're hiding something from the audience or whatever, it was just a decision we made. But you did see reports - whether they're true or not - government reports about aliens.
Lazar: Yeah.
Knapp: What were the reports?
Lazar: There were photographs of aliens. There were autopsy reports. There was really a wealth of information.
Knapp: What did they look like?
Lazar: The typical "grey." I hate to say that, like anyone knows what a typical grey is. It's a creature, probably three and a half to four feet tall, a large hairless head, black, slanted eyes, long arms, very thin-looking. I don't know how else I would describe them.
Knapp: What does an autopsy report look like? What's included in an autopsy report that you said you read?
Lazar: The reason I call it an autopsy report is I saw the carcass, it was obviously a dead alien carcass cut up and it was all dark inside like it had an iron base. The reason I say iron is because it was very dark blood or whatever. I'm not a doctor, but it seemed to be one large organ in the body as opposed to identifiable heart and lungs and that sort of thing, but just one gooey mess in it.
Knapp: What did the report say? It had pictures, it had to have some words: "Here's Exhibit A, an alien"?
Lazar: Essentially so! They had weights and densities of the organs, said there were no conclusions drawn, but it was just a basic description of what the person who was cutting open the body saw.
Knapp: Say where they came from?
Lazar: Yeah, in one of the reports it said they came from Reticulum 4, was what it said.
Knapp: Where is that? Any idea?
Lazar: [Lazar laughs.] Well, I'm told it's a star system in Zeta Reticuli. Reticulum is the constellation. And by "Reticulum 4," they meant the fourth planet out from that sun. In the same reports, we were identified—instead of saying Earth, we were identified as "Sol 3," meaning the third planet out from our sun.
Knapp: Now you've read a lot of UFO material. Do you find yourself mixing what you've read and what you've learned from up there?
Lazar: No, that's why I stay away from the UFO researchers and things like that. I really don't want to be associated with that. I don't research the stuff. It's interesting to read, but no, I'm not mixing anything that I've read into this stuff.
Knapp: We were just talking about the UFO field in general, and you feel a little reluctant to get mixed up in it, although you are right now.
Lazar: Unfortunately, yeah.
Knapp: Why the reluctance?
Lazar: I don't know. There are so many stories circulating around. Everyone has their own view. Each UFO researcher says they have the right story. And essentially, I don't want to side with anyone because I don't know where that information's come from, though they do all have the basic story: you know, there are alien crafts here, how they got here is, probably aliens brought them here, unless we really have a neat setup with the UPS. There's just so many different factions of them [UFO researchers], and they all kind of war between each other, I really don't want to get associated with them.
Knapp: Before you got into the program at S-4, though, you had an interest in UFOs. It must be hard for people to swallow that here's a guy who has an interest in it and he gets hired into the program.
Lazar: Well, there was a very brief time there I had sent out resumes to several places, and I wanted to get back into the scientific field again. Almost simultaneously, I met John Lear and read some of his material. And initially, I thought he was just absolutely crazy. But apparently, he did have a good source of information because, as it turns out, some of the information that he had I actually had hands-on experience with.
Knapp: But your regard for UFOs in general: As a scientist, did you think there was something to it?
Lazar: Absolutely not.
Knapp: Absolutely nothing?
Lazar: No. I would have stood on that 'till the day I died.
Knapp: Many of the people who have been calling are UFO groups or UFO researchers who have demanded that you talk to them: We've got to talk to this guy; we want to give him a lot more publicity so he stays alive, we want him to give us information so that we can further check out his background, etc.; we want to protect him, we want to help him. You've resisted. You've done this program, you've done a couple of reports with us; and you've done a radio show or two, in general, you've resisted going into the UFO circuit. Why is that?
Lazar: Just like I mentioned before: I just don't want to be associated with those guys. And how many people are you going to open up your background to and let them run rampant through it? I mean, private detectives, every UFO group in the world wants to do that! The idea was for me to release the information, essentially to protect myself and take some of the heat off. And I've done that. And that's all that needs to be done, really.
Knapp: Certain UFO researchers claim they've been getting information from you all along, you've been leaking stuff to them, and that they've read these reports that verify the information. You've been working with UFO groups while you were in the program at S- 4?
Lazar: Not UFO groups. I did mention a couple of things to some people. That's all I'm gonna say.
Knapp: Okay. In essence, were you breaking your vows that you made to the Government?
Lazar: Yeah.
Knapp: And why did you feel that was necessary? I mean, you took an oath, didn't you?
Lazar: Yeah. But look at the magnitude of what was going on. I believe that some of the technology, maybe all of the technology, should be kept secret, until we have a handle on everything. But certainly, the overview of what happened just cannot be a secret from anyone, not just the American people, but the rest of the world.
Let out the basic fact that we have these craft, at one time aliens did at least visit and drop off something, however they got here, that there was some contact made, and then cut it short. You don't need to release the information on the gravity generators, the weapon potential, which is enormous and so on.
Knapp: What could you do with that technology? Say you took the flying disks, the anti-matter reactors, the gravity generators, gave it to Los Alamos or Livermore, let them examine the potential abilities of this stuff. I mean, how would this affect life on earth if this stuff was widely available?
Lazar: And mass-producible?
Knapp: Yes.
Lazar: That's tough to say. I mean, you have a completely different mode of travel. What happens when you can play with time? That gets into a really deep philosophical question there.
Knapp: But I mean, it would change a lot of stuff, change everything.
Lazar: Oh yeah! It would change absolutely everything!
Knapp: Do you think it will ever come out?
Lazar: Personally, no.
Knapp: What do you hope happens, both with yourself and with this information?
Lazar: There's been enough thorns put in their toes to where they do try and release something.
Knapp: We'll have to have you come back, Bob. Thanks for joining us.
An explanation of interstellar travel and UFO gravitic propulsion
by BOB LAZAR
Courtesy of home.swbell.net/kkmartin
INTRODUCTION Bob Lazar is a scientist and engineer with a background in physics. The story we heard was at one time he worked for several contractors who were engaged in working at the super secret site 51, which housed all "captured" UFO's the government has - about 36 craft (may be more now). As soon as he found out what he was to work on, which was to determine how these craft operated and what were the propulsion systems they used and how to build and use those systems for our own craft, and what they were to be used for, he quit. But, that's another story for another time. Below is his article.
How is it possible to cross the vast expanses of space required for interstellar travel without exceeding the speed of light? Or how can you travel in reasonable time and economy between points that are light years apart? Now keep in mind that the speed of light is 186,000 miles a second, which translates into roughly 669 million miles an hour. And a light year is the distance traveled in one year at the speed of light, a distance of almost 6 trillion miles. For instance, Proxima Centauri, the star system nearest us would take four years to reach if you could travel at the speed of light, which we can't. As an example, one of our Pioneer space probes has left our solar system and is speeding toward Proxima Centauri and will not be there until after the year 28,000. That is the type of distance we're discussing.
So up until now, when we've examined the requirements to travel these distances, we've always had to consider the problems of traveling at a speed near the speed of light. This poses problems in propulsion, navigation, fuel capacities, and even when you consider the effects of acceleration on space/time, which includes time dilation, mass increase, length contraction and a whole host of other things, it becomes evident that this type of travel would require a level of technology that man has not yet achieved. The truth of the matter is that traveling these distances does require a level of technology that man has not achieved, but it has nothing to do with flying in a linear mode near the speed of light. We know that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, so in our universe we've always assumed that the fastest way from Point A to Point B was to travel in a straight line between the two points at the speed of light. Well, the fact is that when you are dealing with space/time and you enjoy the capability of generating an intense gravitational field, the fastest way from Point A to Point B is to distort, or warp, or bend the space/time between Points A and B, bringing Points A and B closer together. The more intense the gravitational field, the greater the distortion of space/time and the shorter the distance between Points A and B.
Most of us think of space/time as the void or as nothing and remember, it wasn't that long ago that man considered the air in our atmosphere to be nothing. Yet with time, we've become aware of the components and properties of the air in our atmosphere. Well, indeed, space/time is an entity and one of it's properties is that it can be distorted or bent by a gravitational field. We know that gravity bends or distorts space/time and light by virtue of the fact that we're able to see stars which we know should be blocked from our view by the sun. We've used radio and optical telescopes to map stars and other celestial bodies during the course of our yearly orbit around the sun, so we know where these celestial bodies should be. When the sun is between us and a star, many times we can still see the star as though it were in a different position.
We know that gravity distorts time by virtue of the fact that if we take two devices which measure minute variations in time, and we keep one at sea level and take the other to a high altitude, when we recompare them, they reflect different times. The difference in this passage of time is caused by the fact that a gravitational field weakens the further you get from the source, and of course in this instance, the source of the gravitational field is the earth. So the one device which was taken to the high altitude was exposed to a less powerful gravitational field than the device which we kept at sea level. One device used to make measurements like this is an atomic clock and the most recent atomic clock is supposed not to vary more than 1 second in every 1 million years, that's how precise it is. So the effect of a gravitational field on space/time is something that we've been able to observe but not experiment with. This is due to our inability to generate a gravitational field.
And, up until this point in time, great mass such as a star, planet, or moon was the only source of a discernable gravitational field that we were aware of. So, just as the gravitational field around great mass, such as a planet, distorts space and time, any gravitational field, whether naturally occurring or generated, distorts space and time in a similar manner. This is accomplished by generating an intense gravitational field and using that field to distort space/time, bringing the destination to the source, and allowing you to cross many light years of space in little time and without traveling in a linear mode near the speed of light. Now the great benefit of generating an intense gravitational field is not only can you turn it on, but you can turn it off. We can distort the space/time and in turn the distance between the point where we are and the point where we want to be. We can then position ourselves at the point where we want to be, and then stop generating the gravitational field ... allowing space/time to return to it's natural form. In this manner, we can travel great distances with little linear movement and this is how space/time distortion translates into reduced distance.
Up until this point in time, I've used the term "generate" to describe the capability of producing a gravitational field, but since I'm not aware of any way of creating a gravitational field from nothing, a more accurate term might be to "access and amplify" a gravitational field. And this is what I mean when I use the term "generate". To understand how gravity is generated or "accessed and amplified", you must first know what gravity is.
There are currently two main theories about gravity. The "wave" theory which states that gravity is a wave and the other is a theory which includes "gravitons", which are alleged sub-atomic particles which perform as gravity, which by the way, is total nonsense. The fact that gravity is a wave has caused mainstream scientists to surmise numerous sub-atomic particles which don't actually exist and this has caused great complexity and confusion in the study of particle physics. Anyway, gravity is a wave and there are two different types of gravity. Gravity A and gravity B. Gravity A works on a small or "micro" scale and gravity B works on a larger or "macro" scale. We're familiar with gravity B, it is the big gravity wave that holds the earth, as well as the rest of the planets in orbit around the sun and holds the moon, as well as man-made satellites, in orbit around the earth. We're not familiar with gravity A. It is the small gravity wave which is the major contributory force that holds together the "mass" that makes up all protons and neutrons.
You must have at least an atom of substance for it to be considered "matter". At least a proton and an electron and in most cases a neutron. Anything short of an atom such as upquarks and downquarks which make up protons and neutrons; or protons, neutrons, or electrons, individually are considered to be mass and do not constitute "matter" until they form an atom. So that's why I said that gravity A holds together the "mass" or the "stuff" that makes up protons and neutrons. Once an atom is formed, the electromagnetic force is also a substantial factor.
Gravity A is what is currently being labelled as the "strong nuclear force" in mainstream physics and gravity A is the wave that you need to "access and amplify" to enable you to cause the space/time distortion required for "practical" interstellar travel. To keep them straight ... just remember that gravity A works on the "A"tomic or actually sub-"A"tomic scale and gravity B is the "B"ig gravity wave that works on a stellar or planetary level. However, don't mistake the size of these waves for their strengths, because gravity A is a much stronger force than gravity B. You can momentarily break the gravity B field of the earth by simply jumping in the air. So this is not an intense gravitational field.
Locating gravity A is no problem because it is found in the nucleus of every atom of all matter here on earth and all matter anywhere else in our universe. However, accessing gravity A with the naturally occurring elements found on earth is a big problem. And, in fact, I'm not aware of any way of accessing the gravity A wave using any earth elements, whether naturally occurring or synthesized and here's why ... We've already learned that gravity A is the major force that holds together the mass that makes up protons and neutrons and other sub-atomic particles. This means that gravity A that we are trying to access is virtually inaccessible because it is located within matter, or at least within the matter we have here on earth.
However, the earth is not representative of all matter within our universe. The residual matter which remains after the creation of a solar system is totally dependant on the contributing factors which were present during the creation of the solar system. This is true whether you believe that the origin of the universe was an evolutionary event or that a supreme being caused this event to happen. The two main factors which determine what residual matter remains after the creation of a solar system are the amount of electromagnetic energy and the amount of mass present during the solar system's creation. Our solar system has one star, which is our Sun. But the majority of solar systems in our Milky Way galaxy are binary and multiple star systems which have more than one sun.
In fact, many single star solar systems have stars that are so large that our Sun would appear to be a dwarf by comparison. Keeping all this is mind, it should be obvious that a large, single star system, binary star system, or multiple star system would have had more of the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy present during their creations. Scientists have long theorized that there are potential combinations of protons and neutrons which should provide stable elements with atomic numbers being higher than any which appear on our periodic chart, though none of these heavy elements occur naturally on earth. Some elements heavier than uranium do occur on earth in trace amounts, but for the most part, we synthesize these heavier elements in laboratories. Generally speaking, the stability of these synthesized, heavy elements decreases as their atomic number increases. However, experiments at the lab for heavy ion research in Germany have shown that this may only be true up to a certain point as the half life for element 109 is longer than that of element 108. This indicates that they may be at the advent of an island of stability on the periodic chart. The point is that our observations and theories are accurate and the fact is that heavier, stable elements with higher atomic numbers which have more protons, neutrons and electrons than any earth elements do exist.
Up until this point in history, there has been no physical evidence to prove this ... now that proof is here and in the custody of the United States government.
The most important attribute of these heavier, stable elements is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom. These heavier, stable elements literally have their own gravity A field around them, in addition to the gravity B field that is native to all matter. No naturally occurring atoms on earth have enough protons and neutrons for the cumulative gravity A wave to extend past the perimeter of the atom so you can access it. Now even though the distance that the gravity A wave extends past the perimeter of the atom is infinitesimal, it is accessible and it has amplitude, wave length and frequency, just like any other wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. Once you can access the gravity A wave, you can amplify it just like we amplify other electromagnetic waves.
New ‘Superheavy’ Elements Reported
Researchers say they created '113' and '115' in Russia
The Associated Press
Russian and American scientists say they have created 2 new "super-heavy" elements that will reside at the extreme end of chemistry’s Periodic Table of elements. Just a few atoms of the newly discovered elements -- '113' and '115' -- existed for split-seconds after being created in a particle accelerator. They represent unusual forms of matter with properties that go well beyond those of the 92 elements that occur naturally on Earth. Superheavies may be abundantly generated by supernova explosions in stars. Or perhaps they were fused during the fiery moments that signaled the dawn of the Universe. Here on the ground, such tiny amounts of superheavies formed in atom-smashers probably will never find an everyday use. Yet their "birth" adds details to a broader -- and very competitive -- scientific inquiry to establish a single Unified Theory that would explain the physical forces that govern the behavior of all matter.Confirmation could take years
Data on the new elements will appear in the journal Physical Review C, a publication of the American Physical Society that specializes in nuclear structure. The discoveries will not be fully accepted and added to textbooks until other labs create the elements. This could take months or even years. Confidence in nuclear structure experiments was shaken when the purported 1999 discovery of 2 elements was found to be false. But other researchers familiar with the latest study said they were confident in the results. "The paper is solid," said Richard Casten, a Yale physicist and an editor for the journal. He described the techniques employed at the Joint Institute of Nuclear Research in Dubna, Russia and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California as "very tricky". But Casten and others expressed confidence in the results and the scientists involved -- especially Yuri Oganessian, the Russian physicist and lead author of the paper -- for being able to interpret the results of the particle collisions in the Russian cyclotron (or circular accelerator) where the elements were created. "I’m confident that the process was good," Casten said. "Yuri is a very well-respected and careful guy." Efforts to reach Oganessian and other key members of the research team Sunday were unsuccessful.
Calcium and Americium fused
In the experiments, researchers fired a rare isotope of Calcium at a target made from Americium. The new Element-115 was created on occasions when the nuclei of the Calcium and Americium fused. In the artificial environs of the cyclotron, atoms of Element-115 -- now labeled Ununpentium -- apparently lasted only a fraction-of-a-second before it decayed into Element-113. The atoms of Element-113 (known as Ununtrium) persisted for more than 1 second. The '115' and '113' are the new elements’ atomic numbers, which refer to the number of protons in their nuclei. In Nature -- scientists theorize -- they would belong to a special class of super-heavy elements known as the "region of stability" that have a much longer life because the shell-like structure of their nuclei contain the highest numbers of precisely arranged protons and neutrons.
Controversial field
In 1999, California and Oregon State University researchers bombarded a Lead target with a beam of Krypton ions. They reported detecting three atoms of Element-118, which then was the heaviest element detected. They decayed almost instantly into Element-116. But 2 years ago, the claims were retracted after a scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory was found to have fabricated data. Physicist Victor Ninov was the only member of the Lab’s 16-member team to be dismissed in the incident. He is appealing the decision.
Other researchers later created Element-116.
In 1999, Russian researchers at Dubna discovered another super-heavy -- Element-114 -- by bombarding Plutonium with Calcium ions.
The following is an open letter by Glenn Campbell, Area 51 research pioneer, about Bob Lazar and his claims:
From: Glenn Campbell Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:51:00 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:41:41 -0400 Subject: Bob Lazar - True or False?
By Glenn Campbell
I am happily retired from the Area 51 field and am currently enjoying a blissfully UFO-free lifestyle, but one issue won't leave me alone: People keep asking me about Bob Lazar. True or False: Did he work with flying saucers at "Area S-4"?
I adore ambiguity, and I really hate being pinned down like this. I mean, what is truth anyway? My idle-handed colleagues and I have been researching Lazar's claims since 1992, but I wasn't there when Lazar first made those claims, and no one can visit the secure military areas where Lazar's experiences supposedly took place. Who am I to declare what is and is not reality?
Still the inquiries keep coming, especially after Lazar's recent reappearance on Art Bell (June 6, 2002), where he announced yet another movie deal. The only way to efficiently deal with my questioners is to come up with a crude one-word answer.
Unfortunately, that answer is False.
I don't mean this as an insult to Mr. Lazar. He's an incredibly creative and intelligent guy. I also don't mean to denigrate Lazar's many supporters. One thing I learned while studying Area 51 is that you don't mess with people's religion. Lazar, I believe, has a right to make his claims, and people have a right to believe him. Lazar's flying saucers have become part of Nevada's identity, and probably even my own. I mean "False" only in a rather mundane factual sense.
Lazar did not work with flying saucers in an underground hangar near Papoose Lake. He made the story up. Furthermore, he made it up by himself, without the help of any nefarious agency and probably without any deep motivation other than the pleasure of attracting attention and putting people on.
The story evolved out of a long heritage of pre-existing underground alien base claims, which eventually infected the pilot and conspiracy theorist John Lear. Lear announced, in electronic bulletin board posts in the 1980s, that gray aliens were eating humans in deep underground facilities at Area 51. Lazar met Lear, heard his ramblings, and decided to give Lear what he wanted. Lazar took Lear's paranoid delusions and repackaged them in a much more intelligent and internally consistent rendition. Initially, Lear was the only audience, but he tipped off a Las Vegas TV station, and the frenzy began. The story soon spun out of Lazar's control, and, at least until the recent Art Bell appearance, Lazar seemed to sincerely want it to go away.
Lazar's limited knowledge of Area 51 came from secondhand sources, which are plentiful in Las Vegas. Lazar has never been to Area 51. His "S-4" is a relocated and reconfigured version of "Site 4", a real Top Secret radar testing facility west of Area 51. Lazar's saucers and their propulsion system seem plausible to anyone without a physics degree. They were constructed, in Lazar's head, with the same fastidious care that he has lavished on his real-life fireworks, jet cars and other mechanical projects. "Element 115" and its peculiar periodic neighbors were discussed in an article in Scientific American just before Lazar used it to fuel his craft. Lazar has always displayed an exceptional respect for detail and consistency, and he has an extraordinary ability to focus his attention on whatever his current project is, to the exclusion of everything else. His only deficiencies are moral (that is, if you consider lies and the exploitation of others to be somehow 'wrong').
A good model for how Lazar operates is found in the forger Mark Hoffman, now in prison for murder. There is a recent interview here:
While forging Mormon documents, Hoffman built a detailed web of lies that still leaves researchers in awe. Hoffman's forgeries were internally consistent and perfect in every detail, and they meshed seamlessly with the world of existing documents, many of which he also created. His trance-like ability to focus his attention was so highly developed that he easily fooled polygraph tests.
Lazar is in the same league, having convinced a hypnotherapist of his truthfulness and earned at least an "inconclusive" polygraph report. Lazar might be even more clever than Hoffman, because he hasn't significantly broken the law, and he strictly limits his claims to his original story.
You can ask me for proof for my Lazar position, but I'm not going to play the game anymore. The Lazar documentation on the internet is already massive, and the heated debates about one detail or another of Lazar's claims have been going on for over a decade. It is senseless to harp on his false educational credentials, enhanced employment claims or pandering conviction.
Those who believe in Lazar are going to continue believing, and those who don't will only say, "I told you so." The funny thing about oral traditions like this is that they continue to live and propagate regardless of the evidence and far beyond their original source. They spawn new stories, like the similar UFO claims of Bill Uhouse, aka "Jarod 2" (which is another fascinating personal journey). Lazar's story has grown much bigger than Lazar himself, and no one will ever be able to follow all of its threads.
Answering "False" still rubs me the wrong way. I distain finality, and I certainly don't want to attract the attention Lazar's rabid supporters. Instead, I would rather state things in relative terms: Lazar's claims _could_ be true, like the boy crying wolf who eventually encounters a real one, but given the known lies and lack of new information, the joy of exploring the story has dwindled. Life is full of more interesting mysteries.
Glenn Campbell
http://www.aliensonearth.com
June 2002
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. -Carl Sagan
Bob Lazar should be an important part of any website dealing with Area 51. He will always be linked to Area 51 and the conspiracies that
continue to surround this fascinating place. I believe that much of what Bob Lazar says is "way out there". Each individual will have to decide for themselves what to make of Bob Lazar. The only thing I can say for sure is that he is an important part of the Area 51 machine. I think the letter at the end of this page sums up the Bob Lazar story pretty well. The following is a brief overview of his time at Area 51 and a great interview by George Knapp.
booklets was information regarding the aliens and their technology, along with other supposed secret government projects. Some of these projects included the study of gravity drive, referred to as "Galileo", looking back in time, known as "Looking Glass", and a neutron beam weapon codenamed "Sidekick". All of these projects were said to be under a program called "Project Overview". According to the documents, aliens have been visiting Earth for a millennia and they refer to it as Sol 3. They claim that man is the result of 65 genetic corrections made over thousands of years. One group of aliens, referred to as "The Kids", came from the Zeta Reticuli star system. The documents stated that religion was given to man so he would have rules and regulations for the purpose of not damaging the containers. The "container" would refer to our physical bodies, but it is uncertain whether they referred to us as containers for the soul, or containers of DNA. 
According to Bob, he worked at S-4 from December of 1988, to April of 1989. He claims to have worked on one of nine alien crafts stored in hangers there. He says the alien craft's power source was a matter/antimatter reactor, similar to our nuclear reactors but about the size of a soccer ball. This reactor produced waves that nullified gravity through the use of a super-heavy substance, he named Element 115, after its theoretical atomic number. Lazar said that one of the saucers looked like it had been hit by a large caliber projectile because it had a hole that ran from the bottom, up through the top with the metal bent outward. He claims to have also witnessed a short test flight of one of the crafts. Lazar's clearance was supposedly denied because he was viewed as a security risk when a tapped phoneline revealed he was having marital problems. Prior to leaving his work at S-4, Lazar took five friends to the mountains surrounding Area 51 to watch the lights of UFO's being flown there. 
laboratory internal phone book lists "Robert Lazar" along with other scientists. Other employees have been found that have confirmed that Bob had worked with them at Los Alamos on top-secret work, concerning the SDI Star Wars project. Lazar has also been able to produce a 
W-2 Wage and Tax Statement for 1989. It shows the employer as United States Department of Naval Intelligence, Washington D.C., and an OMB identification number listed as E-6722MAJ. Following several death threats and a supposed shooting attempt, Lazar decided to go public with his story, in order to protect himself. He figured that once the information was out there, he would be left alone. He felt that they did not do things for revenge, but only to keep the information hidden in the first place. It would be too obvious if something were to happen to him, after he went public. Many believe that Lazar's education and work records have been intentionally destroyed, altered or hidden, because even the school he claims to have attended, has no record of him. Others think that he is a total fraud who wanted the spotlight for a time. Others think that he may have been used to leak certain information to the public as a plan to prepare us for the truth. Whatever the case, the only logical thing that anyone could do to Lazar after he told his story, would be to discredit him in any way possible so no one would believe him. Many argue that this has been accomplished.
KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, Nevada 
since 1992, but I wasn't there when Lazar first made those claims, and no one can visit the secure military areas where Lazar's experiences supposedly took place. Who am I to declare what is and is not reality?
