John Lear, V.L. Custer, David Adair, Michael Wolf, and Bill Uhouse

What do Bob Lazar, David Adair, John Lear, V.L. Custer and Bill Uhouse have in common? All five individuals have been linked to the alien phenomenon at Area 51. In different ways, each plays an important role in the increased interest of the Groom Lake area in the 1990’s. It is up to each reader to come to their own conclusions about these men and their stories. In my opinion, parts of their stories are plausible. I can’t take each person and back them 100%. The only thing I can say for sure is that each tells an incredibly interesting story. Let your imagination run wild.

          John Lear and Gene Huff talk to George Knapp on Coast To Coast about Area 51 and Bob Lazar

John Lear was a Lockheed L-1011 captain for a major US airline and has flown over 160 different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds 17 world speed records in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every airman certificate issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies. A former Nevada State Senator candidate, he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet, the 8-track stereo and founder of Lear Siegler Corp. Lear became interested in UFO's in the summer of 1986 after talking with United States Air Force personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small aliens walking up to Wing Commander Gen. Gordon Williams.

As presented on the 11/2/03 show:

Art Bell: Let's say the government chose me. They were going to use me as an outlet to release this information. Let's just say they did that and they took me to a briefing. Then what John?

John Lear: They whisk you to Washington, DC, you get limo-ed to this building, beautiful building, you go up into this room. They say, 'Art, you're the guy and if you give us the go ahead, we are gonna release everything we know to the public. If you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover up and no type of information will be withheld. Because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover up provides that nothing, no artifacts, no piece of information be withheld.'

So here's what happened, Art. We'll use some videos and stills. Our first UFO recoveries were in the late '30s. We made a couple in the beginning of the '40s and then came Roswell, which the public found out about. We got 2 live aliens from Roswell. One died shortly there after and one lived till 1956. And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.

Since 1938 we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different actions with aliens. Since that time several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace. Several thousand of those were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with the aliens which we could ill afford to have publicized.

A slightly more frightening phenomena known as "human mutilations" have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to "cattle mutilations". In that the human or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later with their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood. In all cases it appeared that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious. One of our scientists speculates that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything. Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.

When we were first made aware this we protested to the little grey being we had held in captivity at the YY-2 facility in Los Alamos, but a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had naively agreed to.

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.

At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.

In the late 1950's NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles. We sold NASA to the public claiming that all information would belong to them but they got very little and even that was highly sanitized.

Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus. A very similar planet to Earth and it's population is very similar to us just technologically advanced. We have learned a lot from them starting with the Russian Venera 1 and US Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead melting, volcanic surface, spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth. And as often the case we over did it and we wondered why nobody asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air. We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes figuring out what we were up to. We regularly eliminated through extreme prejudice anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or dissatisfaction with the operation. Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest. All data initially came transmitted to Pine Gap then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after sanitizing. We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators but we figured out how they could intercept these signals but we managed to deal with that.

When the Russian threat began to fade we introduced Vietnam which kept the public occupied for over ten years. The cover up and personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money. We were forced to inflate the defense budget, which soon not enough. Then we got into the drug business which was still not enough. We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot. It is so out of control now most people want immunity and want out. But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it's unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled. And even if you give us the go ahead to spill the beans to the public it's unlikely they will get anything more than "yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant" but that's all we're gonna tell ya.

So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell. What you see here are what human mutilations look like. That one was a male about 27 years old. That one is film of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of a craft that crashed in Olancha, California in the '50s. That craft you see over there was over 250ft. in diameter and had to be buried on the spot. That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds. The object you're looking at now is the as the Kecksburg Acorn which was brought to Wright Patt in the middle '60s. There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to a stretcher. He was supposedly from Tao Ceti.

These pictures you're looking at now are structures on the Moon. That's the tower in Sinus Medii and it's over seven miles tall. And that thing over there is what we call the Colossus of Oguram(sp) in Mare Crisium. We don't know what it does but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York. Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters. As you can see, some are in a very advanced state of decay.

These are 5 second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at. That one there is the most gruesome looking. The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over several months being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only when he'd been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible looking beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these acclimatizations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.

And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.

And that's about it. What say you Art Bell? Do we brief the public? Yay or nay?"

Area 51 worker

This is a transcript from a tape of a talk that V.L. Custer gave regarding his 12 years at Area 51.  The talk was supposedly in South Dakota around 1996.  I have not been able to confirm this account.  The transcript is on many other websites.  You will have to be the judge!

"I spent from June of 1965 to August of 1977 directly on the Nevada Test Site, worked there full time. I was Radiation - Health and Safety. Most of the time I worked there, I either worked for Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, Lawrence Radiation Laboratory out of Livermore, Berkeley rather, California or Sandia Corporation out of Albuquerque, New Mexico. All those testing laboratories have since changed their names. Lawrence Radiation Laboratory is now the Lawrence National Laboratory; they don't use the word radiation. In my job we had responsibility for and access to all of the areas of the Nevada Test Site which encompasses about 1800 square miles. It begins north of Las Vegas at Indian Springs where the bombing and gunnery range starts and goes all the way to Beatty, Nevada. It's an area that has armed guards around it, surveillance devices, it's a restricted air space, and you can't fly over it. If you're caught on it, things happen to you. I had a top secret clearance and I think there probably wasn't a square mile of that test site that I haven't been on or seen, part of which is Area 51. One of the things I'd like to tell you folks right now are that there's certain things that I cannot and will not talk about. When you quit out there, quitting what used to be the Atomic Energy Commission, it's now the Department of Energy, and it’s kind of like quitting the Central Intelligence Agency. You never quit. They never let loose of you.

There are certain things that I saw and was part of that I will take to the grave with me without talking about. However, there are a lot of things that I can talk about. And I think the news media has titillated public interest in a very dishonest way because 95% of what's at Area 51 is totally uninteresting, it's very mundane. The Federal Government tests aircraft at Area 51 that they want to keep secret. To give you an example, when I was out there, during the later years I was out there, they tested the stealth fighter and the stealth bomber, the Blackbird, SR-71 flew in and out of there on a weekly basis. The reason the government uses Area 51 is because it has a 10 mile long runway, absolute secrecy, you can't see anything that's worth seeing from the air or the ground. And that hill that sits away from Area 51 where everybody goes up and looks, all they can see... we used to sit there and look back at people and do this (wave) because all you can see is administration buildings. That's all you can see. The government knows that people are out there looking into the area and because of that a deliberate effort has been made that there's absolutely nothing to see right there. Now if you go a few miles north, there are a lot of things that people might want to see but never will.

The Dept. of Energy now has yearly tours on the test sight, once a year the families of employees that belong to certain classifications of workers, are allowed to take bus tours through part of the test site. It's a very small area that they let people see, it's Frenchman Flat, the flat where the old air bursts, where atmospheric tests were performed. But you can't get within 40 miles of Area 51. As I told Paul Strassels on the radio the other day, there were things I saw and have seen in Area 51 that would make one wonder where they came from. I've also seen things out there that violate most of the laws of physics. My degree is in physics, and we, on a routine basis, used to observe... because we worked at night, it was a 24 hour a day, 365 days a year operation out there. And I worked all three shifts, graveyard, swing and days. I worked at night a lot out there. I've seen things that most aircraft or no aircraft that I know of could do, do. So the news reports that you hear are accurate to the extent that someone is testing either weapons or various vehicles that go through the atmosphere that use technology that we're not really in possession of. Now, if that sounds a bit odd, I would say this. The Federal Government is afraid. . . . In fact we had a whole division of public relations people to feed the public information that was cleansed. The Federal Government is afraid that if the population of the United States knew some of the things that we have done and have seen and have found people would panic. And that's all I can say about that. The other thing is that while we were testing nuclear weapons out there, the last year I was out there, the last full year I was out there, in '76, we had 53 or 54 underground nuclear weapons tests. We announced 2 of them to the public. The reason for that was strictly political.

There was a ground swell movement to eliminate nuclear weapons testing, the government didn't want people thinking they were hopelessly contaminating part of Nevada for all times, which they have, it's too late now, it poses no real threat to us, anyway. So they didn't announce those things. I use that as an example of part of which isn't told to the public. There was nuclear weapons testing I was involved in, I should hasten to say that most of that was stockpile testing. We would take a nuclear device out of stock pile and test it, see if it worked. It's as simple as that. Nuclear weapons tend to deteriorate when they sit around for periods of time. Degrade is the term. We haven't tested at the test site now since 1992. Probably never will again. There's a massive clean-up effort out there that will take a long time.

As far as Area 51 goes, I have a lot of friends that work at the test site, still. Area 51 is the most secured area in the United States. Area 51 happens to sit in a place where, as I said, security has to be absolutely tight because it's nothing but desert, government public lands, and its secured public land. A lot of what goes on in Area 51 goes on at night so the Russian satellites can't see what's going on. That's why people from time to time see things. It's a fascinating place. If any of you have questions of me I'll either answer them or I won't but I'll tell you up front whether I can tell you about it or not. I saw some things in Area 51 that, objects, that were strange, didn't seem to be something that, at the time, we had the capability of manufacturing. I don't know where they came from; I don't know much about them. But I saw what I saw with my eyes. I did ask, on 2 separate occasions, one of caretakers, that are what we called them, and I was told the first time - don't ask. Now, remember, I had to have a Top Secret clearance, I had a "need to know". Our group, 80 of us, could go anywhere. We could ask any questions because of what we did. But that was one subject that I was told, don't ask. The second time I asked, I was warned that if I asked again, some rather dire things might happen. So I never asked again. I'm familiar with the Roswell incident in 1947 in New Mexico. I have every reason to believe that the Federal Government found something there. I have every reason to believe the Federal Government will never tell what they found there. We have so much paranoia of humans, anyway, if there was any leak that some sort of life form had visited this planet, the Federal Government is convinced that people would panic and that anarchy might prevail for awhile. That's about all I can say.

The government is telling people that they're dismantling Area 51. I always found that curious because there's actually nothing to dismantle out there. Everything that's out there has been brought there from somewhere else. Right next to Area 51 is the Nellis/Indian Springs AFB bombing and gunnery range and that's where all the armored experiments go on. So it's all kind of part of the same area. There were no nuclear weapons tests that were performed in Area 51. That's an area that has been kept pristine, for very good reasons, mostly the other different parts of the test site have starting with Area 1 and ending with Area 26. Every area out there is numbered. Area 51 somehow got a designation of 51. There is no 27 through 50. But somebody decided to do that, it's just like all of our nuclear weapons, they all have names. Every one had a name. That name was a code as to what size it was. The largest, I can say this without fear, the largest underground weapon I ever participated in was a five and a half megaton device, buried 5500 hundred feet below the desert floor that we set off. That's equivalent of 5 and a half million tons of TNT. And that was the biggest device ever exploded in the United States. A larger device than that exploded underneath Amchitka Island in Alaska some years later. There was a nuclear device set off in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. I don't know how many of you people knew that, that was done in the 60's. We've had a number of accidents out at the test site the public never knew about. I'm not really at liberty to talk about that except it may be interesting for you to know that I now live in South Dakota, I don't live in Nevada anymore. And I will never live in Nevada. I personally have 2 body burdens of plutonium 39 in me and if I live long enough and become old enough, I will die of bone cancer. But I'm not worried about that because I knew what the risk was when I got into the business. A lot of the friends and people I worked with are dead now. It's a very risky; it's a very high hazardous job. Nuclear weapons are something that are, well, there are so many of them that... the hazard that a nuclear weaponry poses isn't blasting people off the face of the earth. We could have a war with Russia and they could have one with us and China and everybody could get involved in it, it still wouldn't wipe out the human race. The problem comes after the bomb goes off because of what's called fission products. And that's the contamination that ensues. It's getting to be a real big problem because of the reactors. The fire reactors create fission products and debris that we're having a hard time figuring out what to do with. Probably most of that debris and waste will end up at the Nevada test site and that will be an area that for thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, no one will never be able to live there or, it will be a closed area. We're developing the technology now, and I don't mind talking about it because Popular Science came awfully close to the truth here a few months ago in one of their issues and I don't think they even knew it. The Air Force in cooperation with the Department of Defense is developing an aircraft now that will go in speeds in excess of speeds of 10,000 mph which is almost fast enough to achieve orbit without boosters. And that is a nuclear powered thrust system. Whether or not that will ever become public or not, it's hard to tell, because nuclear engines are very dirty - very dirty.

The only other things I can tell you about Area 51 are that there will never, in our life times, be any information let out about some of the things that are out there. I will say that it has become a storage area for oddities. That's where, other than Kirkland Air Force Base, the Roswell debris was supposedly taken. All I can say is sometime, during my tenure at the Nevada Test Site, there was debris from Roswell, New Mexico stored away at Area 51. I was lucky enough or unlucky enough to see some of it. I don't take any pleasure in that knowledge because it puts constraints on me I don't like to have.

Question: Could you describe what you saw concerning the Roswell debris?

Answer: No. I'll tell you why, folks. I don't know if any of you have been to Leavenworth, Kansas or not but that's where the federal prison is. It's hot, it's humid and I have no desire whatsoever to go. I still have a real, legitimate respect for the Department of Defense security. When you leave out there they debrief you. And the debriefing lasted quite a few hours, the better part of a day and the bottom line was - don't talk or else. That was the bottom line. And they gave you a list of things not to talk about. I have not violated any of those this afternoon. Since I left out there, I don't believe I ever have. I'm very careful about it.

Question: I lived near an Air Force base and I used to see unusual things flying about. Are these things terrestrial or extraterrestrial?

Answer: Well, a group of fellows and I were on our way to work one night to the test site. We saw something that to this day.....this was an aircraft of some sort, aircraft being defined as an object in the atmosphere that is moving around. There were 6 of us, we were all trained observers, we were not the type of people who see things go bump in the night, I'm pretty skeptical about things, generally. That aircraft that we saw land, which was next to the test site, did some things that with the technology we had then and probably with the technology we have now, were impossible to do. We saw it, I saw it, the 5 other fellows with me, we stopped the car and got out and watched it for 15-20 minutes. I have no idea what it was. I had access to and was privy to a lot of classified information, for instance, the SR-71 was a common place aircraft to us and yet the general public knew nothing about it. But it came in and went and it made a lot of noise, that's the only thing I didn't like about it. It came in hot and it left hot. It came in over the speed of sound and it left at the speed of sound. So it was always making this horrible noise. That was a very common thing to see. Some of the other things I saw were uncommon.

Question: Who's the boss, how did you get hired?

Answer: That was a mundane process. I went out there....

Question: Was it the Department of Defense?

Answer: At the time it was the Atomic Energy Commission when I was hired. And then it became the Energy Research and Development Administration and then it became Department of Energy, the government keeps changing the name. I was there during the visit of two presidents of the United States, Lyndon Johnson was one of them, and Gerald Ford was the other one. Neither one of them were shown certain things. The President does not have Top Secret Clearance.

Question: Do you agree or disagree with that?

Answer: That's a tough one. We live in a republic, a democratic republic, supposedly. I don't trust most politicians, however, not because they're dishonest, necessarily. Nuclear weapons are a very terrible thing. I'm ambivalent about it. I don't know. The time when Lyndon Johnson came out there we tracked him through an area that was hot, none of us had anti-contamination clothing on, we had no instruments, we were dressed just like this, and we let him walk through a contaminated area because it wasn't supposed to be contaminated. That's all I can say about that.

Question: These things you can't talk about, in your opinion, do you feel it would cause mass hysteria? You seem calm.

Answer: No, it doesn't bother me, I have this belief. We have already been to the moon, okay? Big deal. It's not going to be too many more years until humans will be to Mars and beyond. It's a matter of propulsion systems, it's a matter of getting people to the point where they can live in space for long periods of time, either suspended animation or whatever, so they don't come apart, mentally or physically. We have the technology to literally explore the solar system right now, the planets that are in the vicinity of us. And so it's not a big thing. It doesn't take much of a leap, quantum physics tells you accurately that the speed of light is not a speed which beyond it you cannot go. That old theory is gone. Quantum physics says that you may go faster than the speed of light. If that's true, which it is, then travel to the nearest stars is possible. If we, who are barely out of the primeval mud as beings can do this, it doesn't take much, it's very logical to assume that there are other life forms out there somewhere. We're not unique. Good Lord, if we are, it's not much of a testimony is it? There are other life forms; certainly....nothing that I saw surprised me. What surprises me is the government's paranoia about what the government knows. Consider the fact that the Federal Government won't even tell you the truth about the budget process let alone anything else.

Question: There are some who believe we are already on Mars.

Answer: Well, I don't think so.

Question: Go back to the question who's the boss.

Answer: Well, during the time I was out there, one of the bosses was Edward Teller. Edward Teller is the father of the hydrogen bomb. He worked for Lawrence Radiation Laboratory, he's still alive and he's as close to being a "god" in the scientific community and the nuclear weapons community as anybody on this earth. Edward Teller was held in far higher esteem than the President or anybody else. Might be interesting to note and this is not classified, during the time I was out there, the Soviet Union had an exchange program with us. It was not unusual to see Soviet scientists out at the test site on a regular basis. We shared a lot of information with them. I came to the conclusion, having talked to a lot of them over the years that they were really not our enemies anywhere near to what the politicians wanted you to believe they were. We showed them... I showed them things that I couldn't believe we were showing people from the Soviet Union. And I asked about that and was told that we had an exchange program and they were able to see things and become aware of things that I certainly wouldn't have shown them.

Question: Did they see certain things that you couldn't see?

Answer: No, they couldn't go to Area 51.

Question: Why were we told they were so bad?

Answer: It's always helpful to a nation to have an enemy.

Question: Between Teller and Oppenheimer, what's your opinion about Oppenheimer......?

Answer: Openheimer was railroaded; he was ruined because of the paranoia that was going on during that time. Robert Oppenheimer to me was a hero in the scientific community and the man's life was ruined because of paranoia.

Question: Teller was kind of a political puppet.

Answer: Edward Teller was the kind of man that would have been loyal to Adolph Hitler or to whoever was the boss, so to speak. I didn't like the man; I still don't like the man. He's arrogant, he was totally unsympathetic to radiation health and safety, he was totally unsympathetic to people's lives and he still is.

Question: I was noticing your medical ID bracelet, is that related to your work?

Answer: I have MS; I also have degeneration of the retina. It's probably... the exposure I got, the radioisotopes I have in me; it's very probable that my medical conditions are because of what I did. But I want to add, I knew what I was doing, I was paid very well for it and I have no regrets.

Question: This is a stupid question but when they exploded that 5 and a half million ton bomb underground, didn't that make a tremendous noise?

Answer: That was called Box Car; the name of that device was called Box Car. I don't know how they name those things; they all have these strange names. I was on that test. I was assigned to it. When Box Car was detonated, it was 5500 feet under the surface, 5 and a half million tons of TNT equivalent, a device the size of...that log right there. Maybe a little shorter. Ground zero lifted 400 feet for a half a mile radius straight up in the air. And then came back down. What happened then underground would be, small or large, is a cavern is created at the point where the weapon was detonated, of various sizes depending on the size of the weapon. And then the ground starts to slough in all the way to the top - sometimes. Box Car didn't because it was too deep, and you have a crater on top. If you were to fly over the Nevada Test Site, it looks just exactly like the moon. Precisely like the surface of the moon. There are hundreds of craters. To give you an example, one device that was set off right after I got out there, in 1966, actually came out of the ground, on purpose. 6.9 million cubic yards of dirt came out of the ground, created a crater, in less than 2 seconds. That's a crater a quarter of a mile across and 500 feet deep.

Question: (Unintelligible).

Answer: Yes, that's Hattiesburg, Miss. At one point we had a project out there called Operation Plow Share. Operation Plow Share was designed to create weapons that were capable digging another canal across the isthmus of Panama. So we dug a canal out at the test site. It's about a mile long, a hundred yards wide and it's probably 400 feet deep. We used 5 nuclear weapons buried at shallow depths to create this ditch, instant ditch, that's what we used to call it. It was Operation Buggy. And not surprisingly, the people of Panama took exception to us wanting to do that so we never did it. But we tested it. That was very popular in the 60’s; we thought we could use nuclear weapons to do industrial things. But we never could get them clean enough; we got them pretty clean but not clean enough. The clean weapon is a neutron bomb. The neutron bomb could be set off up here, 3-4 thousand feet up, we'd all die, the grass is OK, the trees are OK, the cars are OK but we are water bearing creatures and we would absorb so many neutrons that we'd be dead, instantly. The neutron bomb is in place, most of our intercontinental ballistic missiles have neutron bombs. While I was at the test site, Jimmy Carter promised us that... now I happen to be a registered democrat, so I'm not beating up on a democrat here, Jimmy Carter promised during the campaign of '76 that if elected President he would never, ever test the neutron bomb or deploy it. What the American people didn't know was that we'd already tested it. And right after he became President, in the next 4 years, we deployed it all over the world. There's no reason to lie to people about that because the neutron bomb, if you have to have a bomb, it's a clean bomb. It doesn't contaminate, hardly at all, it's a very efficient killing machine, yet the Federal Government chose to lie about it. I don't know why.

Question: Can you tell us how the chain of command goes? I mean if it's not the president who...

Answer: National Security Council, indirectly. The National Security Council includes both the civilian and the military; the National Security Council includes the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We've come very close folks, a couple of times, to having a military takeover in this country and I'm not one of those people who go around saying these things but that are just a fact. The last one was when Clinton got elected; we almost had a military takeover. The test site was locked down, that's a term they use, before we had a test they'd lock the site down. You couldn't go anywhere, for like 2-3 days. And if you were on the test you were locked within a lock down area. After Clinton was elected president that November, the test site was locked down and stayed locked down for 3 or 4 weeks. There was no testing going on. There was some concern about the transference of power during that time from the election to January 27 or whenever it was, January 20th, the inauguration took place. There have been some pretty scary things happen. The only reason I knew about it is I worked out there. There would be times when we'd be put on alert, security alert, for reasons that were beyond me. There were times when things went the other way. Before we set Box Car off, I called home that morning and told my wife to put a bowl of water on the kitchen table, now this was 160 miles away, I lived in Las Vegas. I said watch it, zero time is at 5 o'clock. I called from the test site, everyone in Vegas knew, they stopped gambling during that time because of the roll of the dice. Vegas shut the casinos down for a few minutes, just the big ones. Box Car was so big, they had to say something about it, so at zero time, after to detonation, about a minute to 2 minutes later, my wife said that bowl of water sitting on the table splashed over and it actually did fall off the table. And that was 160 miles away as a crow flies.

Question: (Unintelligible)

Answer: Everything that goes on at the Nevada Test Site is on a "need to know" basis. There are 3 words that you will hear over and over, every single working day you're out there, everything is on a "need to know". I was going to bring my security badge with me and I forgot it, I still have it. I had a top secret clearance with sigmas on it. These sigmas denoted what informational areas I was privy to and one of those areas was Area 51. I got it as a souvenir when I left; I talked the security people into letting me have it. There are all kinds of people in government that do not have the "need to know" of what's going on out there, or at least parts of what's going on out there. And they're not told. And that includes the President.

The problem right now in this country is that we don't have an enemy anymore, I only say that half facetiously, and we’ll create one, one of these days.

Question: I was wondering about your remarks about Clinton, the National Security Council intelligence arm must be pretty poor if they were concerned about the transfer of power to a man like Clinton who has become such a puppet, it just doesn't add up some how.

Answer: I don't mean to sound sarcastic but the term military intelligence is an oxymoron.

Question: (Something about propulsion systems, mostly unintelligible.)

Answer: I can say this, anti-gravity devices exist, where they came from, that's another matter of speculation. They're unwillingness to talk about things like that within the government stems partly from human nature. If you're privy to some information that you hold dear, regardless of what it is, we're reluctant to share it with other people. That's part of the problem. The other part of the problem is holding on to the information so it can be used militarily. We have become so used to having an enemy in this country and the need to have an enemy, another nation state, that's it's gotten pretty bad.

Question: What are your personal views about the future?

Answer: President Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex before he left office in 1960. I personally believe that there's a reason we moved to the Black Hills of South Dakota. Partially because we're at the top of the food chain here and the water chain. I like to live in a place where the water isn't going to be contaminated. I personally feel that there's a good chance, an excellent chance that there's going to be limited nuclear war in the next 5-6 years. And whether that escalates into a global confrontation, who knows. But it's going to happen just as sure as I'm standing here. The temptation to use nuclear weapons is getting more and more, tactical, not strategically nuclear weapons, and the tactical nuclear weapons. We spent a lot of time out there testing tactical nuclear weapons, 150 kilo tons, 150,000 tons of TNT and less. Small devices, devices that paratroopers can jump out of planes, with them on their back. I can carry one around in a suitcase and the problem with that is, nuclear devices have become so small, so compact, and so efficient, that if terrorists ever get their hands on one, and it's amazing that they haven't, absolutely amazing, it's going to make this thing in Oklahoma City look like a walk in the park. Because the first terrorist group that gets their hands on a nuclear device.....you knows we all used to say, well, China can't do it because they can't deliver the weapons that were a bunch of hog wash. You don't need rockets to deliver nuclear weapons, all you need is a suitcase, and it’s that simple. I can give you the address of a company in San Francisco that would be more than happy to send you the blueprints for a nuclear weapon for $19.95.

Question: (Something about crop circles)

Answer: You know, those crop circles are amazing, I don't know where they're coming from. We had places out in Nevada, there were no crops, and it was sand and low bushes, with crop circles identical to those at the test site.

Question: Were we responsible?

Answer: I can tell you one thing, at the test site, it wasn't some prank. In England some say it was some pranksters but at the Nevada test site it wasn't a prank. There are no pranks out there.

Question: No sense of humor?

Answer: You know what; actually there are a lot of people that work out there that do have a sense of humor. I have friend who has a picture of himself sitting on a nuclear weapon smoking a joint. Now if that were found out, he'd be in really big doggie do-do. But he's a guy that works for Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in New Mexico.

Question: (Unintelligible)

Answer: You see, the insidious part about what we call reality like radiation... we could be sitting here and right there in that cooler could be a lethal radio isotope of say cesium 137 or strontium 90 and you would never know it. Unless you had an instrument that detected it or if there were enough of it to where you became sick and got radiation sickness, and subsequently died. A lot of what we call reality, what we see, we hear, we smell, we taste, we feel, isn't quite the way we think it is. From a physics point of view, there is no such thing as color. We're all sitting around here seeing colors that don't exist. Light is electromagnetic radiation and it's colorless. Our brains interpret different wave lengths of color through our optic nerve, what our minds call color, green jacket, and brown pants, there is no color there. Your brain is interpreting color, different wave lengths and I call it green and I call it brown. We mostly all agree on these things, generally speaking but we all see different things. There is no color. So you have to stop and think about crazy things you see in the sky at night that may or not be unexplainable. To someone else may be very common, very explainable and very ordinary. I'm just about to walk over the edge here . . . they may not be . . . if you were to see a person, you may not recognize that person as someone you thought might live on the face of this planet. And that's all I'll say about that, I swore to God I wasn't going to say that.

Question: (Unintelligible)

Answer: If a race of beings had the ability to travel from Alpha Centauri to here, they would certainly have the ability to camouflage themselves, either to where we couldn't detect them or to look like us. We're a diverse looking race of beings; they could look almost like anything. There are creatures on this planet that look pretty strange.

I have a healthy respect for and a fear of my Federal Government. Because I've seen my Federal Government does some really bad things to people. There were people out at the test site that were the subjects of radiation experiments, I've seen them tie animals down in areas that were going to be tested, we had a tower out there, it was called Bren Tower, it was 1300 feet tall and at the top of that tower there was a reactor, unshielded, small reactor and around the base of that tower for a half a mile or so we would put experiments out, live experiments and see how much radiation they could take. How much gamma radiation, how much beta, how many neutrons they could absorb, these were animals.

Question: When we dropped the bomb in Japan in 1945, we didn't know what the after effects were going to be.

Answer: When we tested the first device in July of 1945, the Trinity device, in Alamogordo, New Mexico, the scientists didn't know for sure if that wouldn't cause a never ending chain of reactions and it would absolutely destroy the world. They knew they had x pounds of fissionable material in that trinity device but they didn't know if that would trigger more reactions or not. They didn't know what was going to happen. When they dropped the Fat Boy and Little Man on those 2 Japanese cities, they had all this experience of one device. And they dropped those very dirty devices and the war ended. Personally, I happen to believe that was the thing to do because I think a million or more Americans, soldiers would have died and a lot of Japanese people would have died if we had invaded the homeland.

Something else, we have laser weapons now that make nuclear weapons look pretty weak. We tested lot laser weaponry out there when I was there in the 70's, all kinds of laser weapons. Laser weapons are far more selective. A nuclear weapon is just a great big bomb that blows up and you have the radiation and the heat and the wind and all that. They're not as all destructive as people think they are. The new ones aren't as dirty as people think they are.

Question: (Unintelligible).

Answer: What I know about anti-gravity devices I'm not at liberty to talk about. Area 51 does not deal with nuclear weaponry.

Physics, folks, is advancing in leaps and bounds, all technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. One of the most dangerous things that's happening to the human race right now is we're being left behind. I can't even run my son's computer as well as he can and technology is going faster than our ability to keep up with it. And when I say our ability, I'm not talking about just us; I'm talking about the people that build it. We're a couple of years away from artificial intelligence, computerized, artificial intelligence that has the ability to reason, to think, to comprehend existence. If you stop and think about that, that's pretty scary. It gets to the point where maybe we become liabilities. When I was a youngster, Buck Rogers and all that stuff was science fiction. And it's advancing exponentially. My mother who passed away a few years ago rode on a stage coach here in the Black Hills. She also saw men walk on the moon. Now you take another 20 years from now, and when I say it's increasing exponentially, the graph of scientific knowledge isn't going up like this, it's going straight up, practically. We're talking about now, this Area 51 thing, the government will hang on until the last dog dies before they'll tell you what's going on out there. Even after it becomes irrelevant anymore, even after it becomes where it's no secret. The government still won't talk about the things that happened in W.W.II, I'm not talking about nuclear things, I'm talking about the Philadelphia Experiment, and I shouldn't have even mentioned that. The government will not talk about all kinds of things that they already know about.

Question: (Something about all the TV programs about UFO's, government ready to tell.)

Answer: It isn't the government loosening up, no. I have friends that work in government security. And they absolutely gnash their teeth at the fact that all these things leak out constantly and they lay awake at night trying to figure out ways to plug leaks.

I think I told you all what I could without lying awake tonight wondering if I told you too much, I hope it was helpful. The best thing you can do to keep the society as free and open as possible is to make sure the politicians we elect to office don't allow themselves to be sucked into the vortex of secrecy that the government always wants to have. And if you see anything flying around, believe your eyes, and believe it isn't a weather balloon, if the government says it's something, it's pretty safe to disbelieve them."

 This is a video of Art Bell Talking to David Adair

Electromagnetic Fusion and
ET Space Technology

An Interview with David Adair about his visit to Area 51  

Excerpt from an interview with David Adair
by Robert M. Stanley © 2002
Email: rstanley@socal.rr.com

ROBERT STANLEY: Tell me about the government disclosure letter you are circulating.

DAVID ADAIR: That letter is based on a series of events that occurred when I first testified for Dr Steven Greer in 1997. It's very simple what we want: a congressional hearing that will grant covert operatives total immunity from their national security oath. Dr Greer is telling us that he has hundreds of witnesses. I know he is not blowing smoke regarding this issue, because in 1971 I saw a lot of people working on these things.

ROBERT: At Area 51?

DAVID: Right. I saw them underground working on all these different craft and back-engineering lots of stuff. I believe there are people that have spent 30 years or more working on these types of projects. Imagine what they could tell us! But more importantly, they would be able to tell us who paid them, who signed the checks.

ROBERT: So you are pushing for public hearings?

DAVID: Absolutely. I really want the world to hear what these hard-core engineers have to say.

ROBERT: You told me in our pre-interview that this event would radically change our lives, that we could begin integrating some of the more advanced technologies into our infrastructure.

DAVID: Exactly, but unraveling everything poses a problem. I know that while I was at Area 51 and was being taken through offices that were off to the side of the hangars and labs, they took me to a room and locked me in it. And that's where I stayed until General LeMay came and got me. But I saw a lot of people working down there as we were walking past these offices.

ROBERT: Wait a minute. General Curtis LeMay personally came to get you out?

DAVID: Yes. If you read his autobiographical book called Iron Eagle, he was a former commander of SAC [Strategic Air Command]. "General Curtis E. LeMay: retired February 1, 1965; died October 3, 1990. LeMay was the fifth Chief of Staff of the US Air Force." You will see, in the back of the book, he talks about his parents. They lived in Mount Vernon, Ohio. I lived in Mount Vernon, Ohio, when I built my first fusion rockets. I was on the cover of the local newspaper.

ROBERT: How did that happen?

DAVID: Well, because his parents' caregiver was my mother, Evangeline Adair.

ROBERT: What a strange coincidence!

DAVID: Yes, and that's how LeMay came to know me personally. And when our local congressman started funding my second rocket, that's when the Mount Vernon News got wind of the story. It was the fastest vehicle ever built on Earth.

ROBERT: Is this a picture of the second rocket I'm looking at?

DAVID: Yeah; there were all kinds of newspaper stories printed about me that I have saved. I was being funded by Congressman John Ashbrook. He was chairman of the Internal Security committees of Congress. That's a pretty powerful place to be. He was also on the Education and Labor committees, which is how he funded my work - through the Department of Education. Then when the Air Force showed up to inspect my second rocket, they were totally gung-ho for all the formulas and the prototype I built from scratch. They knew I was on to something, so they funded me through the NSF [National Science Foundation]. Then my mother got concerned because the government people were really getting involved in our lives. So she went and talked to General LeMay. Curtis really liked my mother a lot and he had seen the newspaper stories, so he came over to talk with me. Later he talked with Congressman Ashbrook. The next thing I know, LeMay told me: "David. I am going to be your buddy. I am going to be your project manager." And actually, that was the greatest thing that could have happened to me because I found out much later that it was LeMay that saved my ass.

ROBERT: That's some powerful protection.

DAVID: Yeah, but what's really interesting is an investigator pulled the records for Congressman Ashbrook from the Library of Congress and found all this documentation. The investigator was shocked to learn that I was telling the truth. In one letter I told the Air Force that without the right electronics and the right formulas to compress and scale down the fusion engine I was building, I would need a really big vehicle to put the engine in and it was going to be a damn big engine! Eventually I found an ICBM, a Titan III, that had been pulled out of mothballs and had been given to the Center for Science and Industry in Ohio. They had recently pulled all the fuel out of it and parked this thing in a storage area. It was flight ready. After a while, I got the Titan. During that time, I had more information-based dreams and from that I eventually reconfigured the fusion engine down to a workable size. Everybody loved that, because hauling a Titan rocket around is pretty tough to do - it's 30 storeys tall! After I told them I could compress this thing down to an engine that would fit in a 12-foot-tall rocket housing, I had to build everything from scratch.

ROBERT: Didn't you tell me there were two rockets?

DAVID: Yes. You're right. There were two of these prototypes. This one went to the science fair. But here is the one that no one ever saw publicly.

ROBERT: The one you told me was "stealth"?

DAVID: Right. We built one just for the local people to see what we were working on. The Air Force guys came over to my house every day. They took their uniforms off and walked around in T-shirts and shorts so the locals would think they were just average people helping out with all the rocket stuff I was building. So when the town folks came by, they just thought, "Boy, he's building a big one this time." But we had two of them in production. I set up one that I used to win the science fairs with, but here is the design we used to move past the prototype stage with. Anyway, we had a front operation and another in the back. And it worked well. That was my introduction to covert activities. Al this documentation that I am showing you here, I brought with me to Congress. I didn't want to testify because I was really treading the fine line of National Security. However, I could tell this particular story because I was only 17 years old when that happened. According to constitutional law, the federal government is prohibited from signing a minor to a National Security Oath. Strom Thurman said to me one time, "You're the biggest loose cannon on the deck, boy."

ROBERT: Let's go back to your experience at Area 51 with General Curtis LeMay.

DAVID: Okay. What happened was, well, it was very simple. I had blown up my own engine. I sabotaged my rocket after it landed at Area 51. I blew it into a billion pieces. After they showed me the engine downstairs, I knew what they were after from my engine.

ROBERT: Which engine?

DAVID: The Electromagnetic Fusion Containment Engine.because they are so fast. There is nothing like it. The liquid fuel and solid propellant engines are like Model Ts compared to a Lamborghini. This thing took off so fast. It went from zero mph to 8,754 mph in about 4.6 seconds. It was so fast that you couldn't even see it.

ROBERT: It went that fast from a standing start?

DAVID: Right. You couldn't even see it. It would be like trying to watch a bullet leave a rifle barrel.

ROBERT: That's not possible to see with the naked eye.

DAVID: Right. So everyone else at the launch site thought it blew up. I built most of it out of titanium. We also used inconel and carbonite. We had every kind of known material for lightness and strength incorporated in that rocket. And because of the extreme g-force of the launch, everything inside was just warped.

ROBERT: But the engine was still intact when the rocket landed at Area 51?

DAVID: Exactly. It came down on a parachute. And that is where it got weird, because there are a lot of characters in this story. The man that was really on my case.he was a bad guy. Dr Wernher von Braun warned me. As a child, I knew von Braun because I was doing all this work with rockets in the early 1970s when we were landing men on the Moon. An hour-and-a-half's drive from my house was Wapakenneta, which is where Neil Armstrong lived. His mother Viola and I became friends. She became like a surrogate mother to me. So I was hanging out with her and I would see Neil around the house. And many times I would go over to her house and I would run right past Neil and go hang out with Viola. And Neil loved that about me because I wasn't interested in his fame; I just loved his mother. Neil was a very reclusive person.almost like a hermit.because when he came back from the Moon mission he literally just disappeared.

Anyway, because I was in that kind of environment, I got to attend parties where all the original Apollo VII astronauts would show up, and von Braun showed up. And that's how we all crossed paths and I started interfacing with him. The thing is, von Braun warned me that if, during my rocket work, I should encounter a man named Dr Arthur Rudolph, I should be extremely careful because he was so dangerous.

Dr Arthur Rudolph was the chief architect of the Saturn 5 engines of our Apollo Moon rocket. He came into the US with von Braun and other German scientists under Operation Paperclip. Rudolph was a full colonel in the Gestapo. He had killed hundreds of Jews personally during the building of the V-2 rockets and Peenemünde. If you made a mistake, he would put a cable around your neck and slowly lift you up, which would strangle you. Then he would disembowel you and leave you hanging there for everyone to see. There were rotted corpses hanging all over the place. They would also feed you sawdust and water. This would take the hunger out of your stomach until you fell over dead, then they would just replace you with more fresh people. This man was the winner of the Most Distinguished Service award - the highest award NASA can give. The Mossad caught up with Dr Rudolph on May 25, 1984. Due to war crimes, he was deported out of LAX to Munich, Germany, where he died [in jail].

Anyway, General LeMay had sent me from Mount Vernon, Ohio, to Wright-Patterson in Dayton, Ohio, where the SAC headquarters was located. From there, me and my rocket and some other colonels all got on board a C-141 transport and flew to White Sands. Soon after we arrived at White Sands, a black DC-9 plane showed up. LeMay had told me that if this plane showed up, it would represent a real problem for me. Anyway, out stepped these guys wearing suits and mirrored sunglasses. And among them was this one little guy wearing khaki uniform. I knew that was Dr Rudolph because Dr von Braun had showed me his picture.

ROBERT: Whom was Dr Rudolph working for?

DAVID: I'm not sure.one of those alphabet-soup intelligence agencies. But he was primarily working for NASA. And as soon as he got off the plane, he asked to see my rocket. When I asked him who he was, he told me, "Oh, I'm just a guy that inspects rockets for the government." Then I asked him if he was from NASA, and he said he had never worked there.

So we walked over to my rocket and I opened up a side panel. And when he leaned over to look at the engine, he began mumbling to himself and he seemed really upset - probably because I had built something he thought was impossible to do. So I took that opportunity to lean over and whisper in his ear, "Do you know that in proportional size, this engine has 10,000 times the thrust of the F-1, Saturn V engines, Dr Rudolph?" And he stood up and was furious. He wanted to know who I was and how I knew so much. And I told him, "I'm just a kid that launches rockets in the cow fields of Ohio." [Laughter] Anyway, I had friends around me who were Air Force colonels that LeMay had assigned to take care of me.

And I got upset when Dr Rudolph told me that he wanted to change the landing coordinates on my rocket. He was really nasty about it. The navigation system I was using was off-the-shelf stuff. Back in those days, it was all analogue. But I had my system programmed to where the rocket would come back down within a two-mile radius of the launch site. Dr Rudolph had me reprogram the coordinates so that my rocket would land 456 miles northwest of White Sands in an area called Groom Lake, in Nevada.

Well, I immediately pulled out my national survey maps and I looked at Groom Lake and thought, "My God! Why are we launching up to a dry lake bed in Nevada? It's so far away." That's when Dr Rudolph told me, "Just do it!" He was really hostile. And I had been warned many times by von Braun and LeMay that if I ran into Dr Rudolph, not to push his buttons.

So I reset the coordinates on the guidance system and we launched my rocket and it took off perfectly. And sure enough, it landed right on target. And you know, it wasn't until they made the movie Independence Day that I ever heard the term "Area 51".

ROBERT: How could that be?

DAVID: I always knew this place as Groom Lake. It was the only name I had ever heard for that place, growing up. So we were getting ready to board the plane to go and recover the rocket and I said, "Hey, do you see these rubber tires on this plane? Would you please tell me how you are going to land this thing on a dry lake bed? This thing is going to plow into the ground and never leave." Someone yelled at me to shut up and get into the plane.

After a while, we arrived in Nevada. And as we flew over the landing site, I looked down at these twin 10,000-foot runways and I said, "My God! There's a huge base down there!"

So we landed at this place that doesn't exist on any map, and that's when I started getting really concerned. I was trying to locate any Air Force emblems, Navy emblems, any kind of logos or emblems that would identify the commanding authority, but there was nothing anywhere on any of the buildings. Normally, standard universal painting of water towers at an airstrip is an orange-and-white checkerboard pattern. But here, everything was painted either solid white or solid black. So they were not conforming to any code.

After we got out of the plane, we got on this go-cart-looking thing. It looked kind of like the electric carts that you see at airports. Then we drove from the landing strip to a series of hangars and headed into the center one. It was really cool, the way this place was built. There were all these really big lights at the top that had louvres on them so the light will shine down. And when I got close to the buildings, they looked old and ratty, but underneath it was alloy, unlike any alloy I had ever seen. It was an incredible-looking stainless steel type of metal that I thought was really unusual to use for buildings of that size.

When we got inside the hangar, we went down to the basement area. Actually, we drove into the hanger and there were little yellow lights flashing and big hangar doors, and out of the ground came all these little pipes with chains attached that blocked off all the doorways. Then the whole floor - about the size of a football field - slowly dropped down. The entire hangar was an unenclosed elevator.

ROBERT: So, it was more like a hydraulic lift in a garage?

DAVID: Yeah, but it was built to carry some really heavy stuff. The floor was made of concrete. God knows how much weight that was. The whole thing went up and down on giant worm-screws.

ROBERT: I see. That's a lot more stable than using a hydraulic system.

DAVID: Nothing can take the load like a worm screw. These things were the size of sequoia trees, and there were at least 12 of them lifting the floor! We went down at least 200 feet until we rested flush with the floor of an underground hangar that was huge. It had a huge arched ceiling, but it went so far that you couldn't see the end of it. It just went forever. And I thought, "My God! You could park a hundred 747s in here and they wouldn't even be in the way!" At that point I asked, "What in God's name did you do with all the dirt?" And they just looked really strangely at me. I guess they didn't expect me to try and figure things like that out. The walls were at least 30 feet high, and all along them were different workshops and laboratories and periodically there were big, huge, work bays. So we kept driving down past all kinds of aircraft that I had never seen. Some of them I had seen, like the XB-70.

ROBERT: Was this area carved out of dirt or was it rock?

DAVID: I don't know. Everything was coated with a ceramic- like material.

ROBERT: I thought there were mountains surrounding the dry lake bed? Those must be fairly solid?

DAVID: Yeah. There are all kinds of mountain ranges around that area. I never saw any "dirt", though, because everything had concrete over it or was covered with some type of ceramic material. The most interesting thing about this to me still is how well lit the underground area was. There were no shadows, anywhere. And there were no light fixtures, anywhere. I was wondering how they generated that much light. It didn't look like the walls were glowing, or the floor or the ceiling. But every square inch of this place was lit, and yet there was no visible source of light.

And after we had been driving for a while and we had passed a lot of different aircraft, we took a road to the left that took us away from a lot of the other activities. I could see a lot of people working on stuff. These aircraft appeared to be operational. Some of them I have never seen before or since. They were shaped like a reverse teardrop. And there were others that looked similar to the flying wing. One aircraft, the XB-70, was a delta-wing bomber built in 1959.

ROBERT: And you were at Area 51 in 1971?

DAVID: Right. June 20, 1971. So, we get there and it was just amazing, because we drove up to the side of these big steel doors and one of the officers got out and put his hand on a scanner-type thing and it flashed a light at him. I thought it took his picture. In hindsight, I would have to guess that it was a retina scanning device. And after the guy was scanned, the door opened up, so I knew this was a security system of a kind. This was 1971.

Let me put this into perspective. In 1971, we had no laptops, no modems, no fax, no VCR, no cellphones; we didn't even have hand held calculators. Texas Instruments developed those about five years later. So where in the hell did these guys get all this technology?

As soon as we went into the room, I immediately noticed the temperature drop, because it was warm in the big open areas we had just come from. It was very cool in this room. You could almost see your breath. And as we entered the room, the lights - wherever they were coming from - came on. And again there were no shadows being cast, anywhere.

Then someone threw a switch and activated a hoist attached to some cables that were attached to a big tarp. The tarp was lifted straight up, and sitting on this huge steel platform was a giant electromagnetic fusion containment engine! And I immediately knew that, because its configuration was similar to mine but it was the size of a Greyhound bus. Mine was about the size of a large watermelon!

You can recognize engines that are comparable. If I had an internal combustion engine taken out of a Model A Ford and had it sitting on the ground and you pulled an engine out of a Viper today and placed it alongside, you would recognize that they operate on the same principle of internal combustion. However, the difference in performance between the two is unbelievable.

It was the same situation with my little engine and this thing they had stored underground. They both ran on the same principle, the same configuration, but the level of sophistication is like that of the Model A compared to the Viper engine. This thing they had was so powerful. There were so many design features that I didn't recognize, for reasons that became clear.

ROBERT: At this point you were just looking at the engine. Where was the rest of the craft?

DAVID: Well, that's where the argument started. They asked me if I liked what I saw. I said, "Well, yeah, but I'm confused. I thought I was the first one to build one of these engines."

And this is where things really started getting odd. The colonel that was with Dr Rudolph said, "Son, you want to help us with this design here since yours is very similar to it. You do want to help your country, don't you?"

Well, I had an American flag blanket. And I listened to Anita Bryant's record before I went to sleep. I was a real patriotic flag-waver even in the '70s. Of course, it wasn't real popular to do that then because the war in Vietnam was still raging. My peers couldn't understand why I loved America so much, but it was just the way I was raised.

So at first I agreed with the colonel that I wanted to help. However, I was very curious and asked, "Where are your people that built this engine?" He paused for a moment, then told me, "Well, they are on vacation right now. You're off on summer vacation, right?" And I said, "Okay! That's good. Did they leave any notes on their work that I can look at?" Then I was told, "Well, they took them with them as homework. You get homework." And I was thinking, "You know, this is really condescending. I am 17 years old." But that's how they treated 17-year-olds back then. So I thought, "Okay; I will play along with this asshole."

I agreed to help them, but told them that I needed to get a closer look at the engine. And they agreed, at which point I walked up and got onto the platform. And the closer I got to it, the more I realized that these people had no idea what this engine was; they were still trying to figure it out. I could tell that it didn't belong to us. And when I was about three feet away, the first thing I noticed was a perfect shadow of myself on the engine. And what did I tell you earlier?

ROBERT: There were no shadows anywhere.

DAVID: Right. So how is my shadow showing up on this thing? And stranger still was that the shadow moved about a half a second behind me. That really got my attention. And I thought, "If this is what I think it is.a heat sensitive recognition alloy." And then I realized we don't have [any] known material that could do that. So I looked up at the engine and I asked for permission to climb to the top because I wanted to see the damaged area. The thing had a hole about four feet in diameter in the side of it, and this was the area that most interested me. Now, think of a figure eight, and right where the two circles cross each other is the eye of the hurricane. That's where the damage was located on this engine. Knowing my own engine, I was assuming that this thing had experienced some kind of breach in the electromagnetic flux field that acts as the containment wall that harnesses the power of the reactor engine.

These engines basically function like a magnetic bottle or sphere, and inside you have contained the power of the Sun or a hydrogen bomb continuously detonating. It's not impossible to figure out how this works, because it occurs all the time out in space. Black holes can suck an entire galaxy full of suns into their point of singularity. Obviously a black hole has no problem containing that fusion energy.

What I did was mathematically figure out a way to artificially create a synthetic black hole. And because it is based on a figure-eight design, once it has stabilized it will always implode and consume itself without pulling everything around it in. But this engine at Area 51 had lost its stabilization in the figure eight, and that's why I was so curious about the hole.

The way this engine was built was really cool. There wasn't a single screw or rivet or weld seam anywhere on this entire device from end to end. It looked like it was grown rather than assembled. And I thought, "Man, whoever built this really has some incredible manufacturing techniques."

Over the years, I have been able to replicate this process to some extent in an experiment that I built. It flew on board one of the 1993 Space Shuttle missions. It was part of the GAS (Get Away Special) program. That's where you rent space in a 55-gallon drum for your project. The first thing I did was melt alloys together, and when you spin them in a weightless environment you can create any type of dimension you want, because I figured out a way to control this. There was always a question about how you shape liquid metals in a weightless environment. It's a containerless process. It's a real phenomenon.

ROBERT: You made a form without using a mold?

DAVID: Right. I figured out how to take a fluid glob floating in this weightless environment and control it. For every geometric shape and dimension, we know there is a corresponding sound wave. So I created this machine that was attached to a Moog synthesizer, which allowed me to replicate any shape I wanted simply by playing notes. This machine generates interlocking standing sound waves that vibrate, even in space, and which allowed me to shape the liquid metal.

That process proved to me what I had suspected when I first saw the engine at Area 51 in 1971: whoever built that engine used this process. This raised an even larger question in my mind. Who could have built an engine of this size in space? I have never discussed this publicly. But I was curious and I wanted to replicate that engine design, which was clearly built in a weightless environment.

ROBERT: Which means outer space?

DAVID: It would have to be deep space. Like intergalactic deep space, away from any planets or stars.

ROBERT: I guess you wouldn't want your design process to encounter any gravitational fields?

DAVID: Right. The less the better. They are called "gravity convection". They didn't want any gravity convection currents to show up in the alloy shaping process.

Anyway, when I placed my hands on the engine to pull myself up, I began climbing up the exterior of the engine, which was designed with an echoskeletal structure. The best way to explain this is to look at the designs of H. R. Geiger; he is the designer that created all the sets of the Alien movies.

ROBERT: What happened when you touched it?

DAVID: It was warm, which didn't make any sense at all. It was so cold in that hangar, you could almost see your breath. I looked around on the floor and saw no power lines. And I asked myself, "How in the world could this alloy be staying warm?" And it was really hard. It was the hardest material I have ever touched. It didn't give anywhere. The surface cohesion tension on it felt more like a baby's skin. It was supple, but hard and warm.

ROBERT: That is weird, especially for metal.

DAVID: Yeah, and I was thinking, "What the heck is going on?" And as I was crawling up everywhere, I touched the surface and it reacted. When I turned and looked at the Air Force guys, all their mouths were hanging open. And so I assumed that the reaction they were seeing hadn't happened for them, because wherever I touched it there were these really amazing blue and white swirls moving down through the hull of this thing. It looked like wavelengths that you see on an oscilloscope. When I pulled my hands off, it stopped. And I said, "Wow! This thing is reacting!"

So I continued to climb up until I reached the center area. It had these vertebrae that branched off, cascading, fiber-like. They looked almost like fiber optic cables filled with some kind of fluid. They were very small tubes the size of angel hair pasta. There were millions of these things cascading over the hull of this engine. And I thought, "Boy, these patterns look familiar." Then it dawned on me: they looked like neural synaptic firing patterns. There were millions of them going out everywhere on this thing. So I thought that maybe the engine was designed with an echoskeletal brain. And at that point, I reached out and grabbed some of the fibers and found that they were really tough and that there was fluid in them. And wherever I touched, no matter what I touched, there would be a reaction to it like a tremor of visual lights.

As I walked down into the damaged area of this thing, I finally said to the Air Force guys, "You know, this thing is a power plant. It is more than a propulsion system. It is a power plant. It obviously came out of a big vehicle.a craft of some kind. Where is that craft located?" Now they were not happy with me, but I continued. "A craft like this must have had a crew. What did you do with those people? This is clearly not American or Soviet technology, is it, boys? This is some kind of extraterrestrial entity. How old is it? Did you dig it up? Is it millions of years old or did you guys shoot it down?" And man, they got really upset. They told the MPs to take me down off the engine. As I was coming down, I was really pissed off. I was so pissed off because I had had enough.

At this point, I knew where I was. I knew that this engine was from somewhere other than Earth. I didn't know where it had come from or how long they had had it, but it was obvious that my whole world was coming undone in that moment. I grew up in a world where the government would never lie. We had just landed on the Moon the year before. And here the Air Force had this technology and they weren't saying anything, which made me furious.

ROBERT: Let's back up a little. When you were on the engine, there was something that you saw, which you told me about in a previous conversation and which I found really fascinating. How and when did you see the interior of the reactor? Can you describe the crystals?

DAVID: What happened was I asked for permission to inspect the damaged area inside of the engine where it had been blown open. They hesitated on that request.

ROBERT: This was before you made them angry?

DAVID: Before I came out of that damaged area, totally pissed off.because when I got down in this thing, they told me to make it brief. So I got down and looked in the area. Man, there was some incredible-looking technology up and down this engine. And I couldn't get more than three feet into it before I came up to a wall. And this wall.it was like the iris/shutter on a camera lens. It had lots of interlocking fans that contract or expand - and I've always thought that would make the coolest door. Well, there was this little round pod-thing there, and I just put my hand on it; and when I did, the wall just shuttered open.

ROBERT: It opened for you?

DAVID: It made a slight noise.

ROBERT: Maybe that's where they got the inspiration for the door design you saw at Area 51?

DAVID: It could have been. I have no idea. But I got to look deeper into the engine. And what I saw in there was fascinating. It was such a trip being there because whenever I worked on my fusion engines, everything was so small; some parts I even had to machine under a microscope. Now, here was a replication of my basic design that was big enough to walk through. But man, this thing.what I had manufactured to achieve a certain function in my engine, this thing would have something else in its place. And this something else would be stuff I couldn't begin to recognize. There were these crystals that were facing each other. They were fabulous-looking crystals. And they were integrated into this plasma duct type thing.

And in my engine, I had such a hard time getting a cyclotron to curve the blast waves I needed for propulsion. This thing had some kind of venting system that allowed them to flush their plasma out through an area that looked like the gills of a shark. The whole thing was so organic looking. It looked like a living machine - both organic and inorganic incorporated together. It was an oxymoron. How do you explain something like that? So anyway, I just got to see a lot of stuff in there that I couldn't believe.

ROBERT: How many minutes were you in the interior alone?

DAVID: I don't think I was in there more than five minutes. I know that doesn't sound like a very long time, but it felt like I was in there a week.

ROBERT: And I believe you said you have a photographic memory.

DAVID: Yeah. I was just clicking non-stop. I was just absorbing it all in. And when I left, I didn't touch that pod, right? But as soon as I passed that area, the door closed behind me. I never told the Air Force guys that I went into that part of the engine. I don't think they ever knew there was another compartment in the interior that they could enter.

ROBERT: Why?

DAVID: I don't believe that it allowed them access. There was a presence, though, about this engine. Just like you have a presence of a person and an entity. It just had its own. So I came out of the engine and was totally pissed off because I knew there was no way we could have built it. It was using some kind of crystal containment field power that we can't even imagine. I would have to work on it for a long time to figure out how they were doing the fractions. Where I was using the plasma in a linear mode, this thing was designed to go any direction it wanted with its plasma flows. That's impossible.

ROBERT: With a rocket?

DAVID: Yeah. This thing could do anything. And I really wondered who in the hell built it. So as I started coming down the outside of the engine. After we got into a big argument, I noticed that now, wherever I touched the engine, it was no longer reacting with the nice blue and white swirls of energy. They had changed to a reddish-orange flame-looking pattern. And as I calmed down to try and figure out what that was, it changed back to the bluish white, more tranquil-looking pattern.

That's when I realised that the engine is not just heat sensitive; it reacts to mental waves. It is symbiotic and will lock on to how you think and feel. This allows it to interface with you. And that means this thing was aware. And it knew it was there. And I knew that it knew I was there.

David Adair is an internationally recognised expert in space technology spin off applications for industry and commercial use. At age 11, he built his first of hundreds of rockets which he designed and test-flew. At 17, he won "The Most Outstanding in the Field of Engineering Sciences" award from the US Air Force. At 19, he designed and fabricated a state-of-the-art mechanical system for changing jet turbine engines for the US Navy that set world-record turnaround times that still stand today. David Adair is the president of Intersect, Inc., and he lectures and provides consulting services to companies and organizations that want to know how to use the latest cutting-edge technological advances.

Robert M. Stanley is a writer and researcher specializing in technology trends. His articles have been featured in numerous publications and he has appeared on various television and radio programs. Currently he is serving as an R&D consultant for an international corporation.

Here is an interview with Dr. Michael Wolf about ET disclosure

Revelations of Dr. Michael Wolf on the UFO Cover Up and ET Reality

American scientist Dr Michael Wolf claimed he was a member of the satellite government for over 25 years. He attained a very high 'Above Top Secret' clearance level and worked primarily on joint ET/human scientific projects.

He died on September 18th, 2000 from cancer after a long period of ill-health.

During his final years he spent time talking to various journalists about the UFO and ET cover up. His bosses at the National Security Council (NSC) gave him permission to 'generate a controlled leakage of secret information'. As Dr Wolf commented,

"I look forward to the day when the secrecy surrounding extraterrestrial contact ends so that our race can move forward to the next phase of its history - now cosmic in scale."

As is standard practice these superiors have erased almost all his records such as the universities he attended; degrees gained; and his involvement with the CIA, NSA and NSC. Such measures are common for people working in unacknowledged 'special access programs' as their bosses must maintain plausible deniability in case a sensitive unauthorized disclosure occurs.

Dr Wolf said he worked in laboratories at Area 51, S4, Wright-Patterson Air force base (Foreign Technology Division), Indian Springs and Dulce. Where for five years, "I met with extraterrestrial beings every day in my work and shared living quarters with them."

He served as a scientific consultant for the American President and NSC on ET related matters. He was a member of MJ12 special studies group and appointed head of its leading agency - the Alphacom Team - which specializes in gathering information on the different ET races. Dr Wolf said he had an MD in neurology; a PhD in theoretical physics; a BS in biogenetics; a JD in international law; and a D.Sc. in computer sciences.

The UFO community was first alerted to Dr Wolf by the publication of his highly original and unique book 'Catchers of Heaven' in July 1996. It is a book that is primarily about his experiences while working for the satellite government. Since then prominent researchers like James Courant, Michael Hesemann, Dr Steven Greer, Art Bell and Bruce Burgess have been knocking on his door.

It took '15 years of persuasion' before his bosses finally allowed him to publish. But their conditions stated that this book must be fictionalized and to have three different denials at the beginning concerning its authenticity. They also reviewed 'Catchers of Heaven' before publication. He commented,

"I would like on my gravestone the words, 'He died of red tape'."

While some of Dr Wolf's claims may sound pure science fiction, if genuine, then he is probably the highest ranking member of the satellite government to come forward so far - offering us an extraordinary insight - a tantalizing glimpse - into the UFO cover up and ET reality.

In this interview, Dr. Michael Wolf, a scientist who has worked in highly classified projects, makes startling disclosures about the United States Government's agenda on UFO's and ET's.

Dr. Michael Wolf is a 56-year-old man pincered between the horns of a quintessential dilemma. His bosses at the National Security Council (NSC) have told him that they want him, precisely as a government scientist with ABOVE TOP SECRET clearance, to generate a controlled leakage of major amounts of secret information. That information is about UFO reality and extraterrestrial contact with humans, including governmental involvement. On the other hand, they have told him not to disclose too many government secrets, nor too many details about his role inside ULTRA-classified projects. (He characterizes his current low-profile status as "sequestered".)

To complicate matters further, his bosses have "erased" almost all his records, such as the universities he attended, his degrees and his record of government service as an independent contractor to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the NSC. Such measures are common for individuals working in Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, where their bosses must maintain "plausible deniability" in case a "sensitive" worker decides to make unauthorized disclosures. Additionally, the national security oath Wolf had to sign required that he could not publish papers in scientific journals on his classified research findings.

As a result, Dr. Wolf can hardly prove he exists. But, as a very brave person, Wolf has decided nevertheless to keep on revealing secrets until his superiors tell him to stop. America and the world are indeed fortunate that he has made that decision.

Dr. Wolf decided to reveal to the world what he has learned about the visiting extraterrestrial cultures because, as he said, "we have a right to know". He is also motivated by the need to feel that he is making a contribution to humanity for his wife, son and unborn child who were assassinated in a terrorist car-sabotage "accident" meant to kill him as well. He admits that hindsight has caused him to re-evaluate the importance of keeping secret all the things he has worked on.

His efforts to persuade his bosses to let him publish and speak have met with some success. His book, The Catchers of Heaven, was approved for publishing, but only after he met their restriction that he write a foreword stating that it was "a work of fiction". The book is filled with insider disclosures and is must-reading for anyone interested in learning more about the extraterrestrial presence. Dr. Wolf is currently working on a sequel, Bright White Light Quartet, which will provide further information about his personal experience with the extraterrestrials, their communications and their missions.

I have been authorized by Michael Wolf to share publicly, in this article, the disclosures he has made since Catchers was published. This report will not duplicate my earlier article on Dr.Wolf. Also, these disclosures come from notes I scribbled furiously as I tried to keep up with Dr.Wolf's machine-gun pace of talking. Like many geniuses, he moves from topic to topic rapidly, not leaving the interviewer an opportunity to get certain details. The reader will just need to make do for now with what was captured in my notes, and forgive the sometimes missing details that occur in that kind of communication. Any mistakes are mine.

I can well understand that some of the partial disclosures here leave the reader hungering for more detail. Such is the current state of affairs at this point in the US Administration's guarded-disclosure / plausible-denial strategy, a complex dance of opposites. Yet, in unprecedented volume and depth, secrets are emerging from deep inside the most jealously guarded and denied programs the US Government runs: its UFO programs — presented here, courtesy of Dr.Wolf.

But who is this man who discloses such tightly held information? Michael Wolf's ancestors were Russian Jews who emigrated to the US and adopted the family name of Kruvant. Even as a child, Michael was no stranger-to the classified world nor to encounters with an extraterrestrial. He would accompany his father to Andrews Air Force Base while he met with the Air Research and Development Council. Indeed, Michael was not the first in his family to experience contact with what he calls "my little Grey navigator, an undisguised blessing". Michael's father had been visited by Grey ET's, too, and had spoken to Michael various times about those "Catchers of Heaven", as he called them. And Michael's future son, Daniel, would also be an experiencer of ET encounters.

By the time he was twelve, Michael was taking characteristic initiative. He founded the Flying Saucer Research Association of New Jersey. At night he tried communicating with his extraterrestrial friends, using light signals. On 24 December 1954, one such effort was observed by George Hunt Williamson (identified by Dr. Wolf as having been a CIA operative). Williamson, in his book, Road in the Sky, wrote that young Wolf, the year before his bar mitzvah, was transmitting messages to space intelligences using modulated light beams. Michael had telepathically requested that the ET's confirm receipt of his mental message by flying over his house in a certain direction. Wolf recalls: "Five minutes later, two flying saucers flew over my house, heading north, as I had requested."

The intelligence community began to keep tabs on Wolf and eventually recruited him. Wolf recounts that the government guided and paid for his impressive education because they saw he had a good relationship with the ET's and because he was the brightest student his teachers had seen.

Dr.Michael Wolf served in the Vietnam War era as an Air Force colonel, pilot and flight surgeon, and as an I-Corps intelligence officer for the CIA and NSA. He has earned an MD in neurology, a Ph.D. in theoretical physics, an Sc.D in computer science, a JD in law, an MS in electromagnetic influences on organisms and a BS in biogenetics.

Basically a Buddhist, Wolf also affirms the core truths in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Native American spirituality and other major spiritual traditions. His personal seminal koan: "The truth is a lie which has yet to be revealed."

From 1972 to 1977 Dr. Wolf was engaged in covert governmental research into extraterrestrial technology. "I met with extraterrestrial individuals every day in my work, and shared living quarters with them" — while doing research at extremely classified underground government research laboratories. "Zetas work in underground facilities, as requested by the US Government. The ET's are not breaking the US Government - Zeta treaties, but the Government has broken treaties by mistreating ET's and trying to fire on UFO's." Yet there are some extraterrestrials being held captive. "Government scientists discovered that the ET's cannot dematerialize and escape if there is an extremely powerful electromagnetic field surrounding them." (By way of corroboration, I have heard a government contractor describe three-foot-thick walls, with many wires embedded and running through them, at Haystack Air Force Laboratory.)

Dr. Wolf commented: "Some in the government want better diplomatic relations [with the ET's], but others in the military want to shoot them down." This is ironic, Wolf said, "because SDI [Star Wars] technology was given to the government by the ET's".

Laboratories where he worked include S-4 (near the northeast corner of the Nevada Test Range) and nearby Area 51 (where he lived for a while), the Foreign Technology Division labs at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (Dayton, Ohio), and the former Dulce Laboratory (near the New Mexico-Colorado border). Wolf says he is also aware that extraterrestrials work with government scientists at Haystack Air Force Laboratory, deep under Haystack Butte at Edwards Air Force Base, California. And when the subject was brought up of the complex at Indian Springs Auxiliary Air Field adjacent to the Nevada Test Site, Wolf quickly responded: "I can't say anything about that."

Since 1979 Dr. Wolf has served as a scientific consultant to Presidents and the National Security Council on extraterrestrial matters. He is also a member of the NSC's unacknowledged UFO information management subcommittee's (MJ-12's) panel of scientists. "The code-names I used there were 'Griffin' and 'Nu Kappa Eta'." MJ-12 made Dr. Wolf the Chairman of Alphacom Team, its premier extraterrestrial-matters group which also includes an admiral from Naval Intelligence.

Wolf observes that the generals he worked with feel impotent in the face of the overwhelming superiority of extraterrestrial technology and mental abilities. Because of those feelings of powerlessness, anathema to military officers, the generals authorized an intense and extensive disinformation campaign (the UFO cover-up) to discourage any attempts by civilians to acquire even the limited understanding of extraterrestrials which the generals had managed to gain.

A far more disturbing revelation from Dr. Wolf concerns the existence of a renegade group within the military and intelligence agencies involved in the UFO cover-up. Wolf has labeled this conspiratorial group of plotters "the Cabal". Made up of extremist, fundamentalist, xenophobic, racist and paranoiac officers, the Cabal fears and hates extraterrestrials. And, without any presidential or congressional authorization, the Cabal has commandeered Star Wars weaponry to shoot down UFO's; it has taken surviving extraterrestrials prisoner and attempted to extract information by force. A high-level military officer, who is considered a "friendly" by the Cabal but who secretly dislikes it, passes on information about Cabal planning and activities to Dr.Wolf.

The Cabal "controls" some well-known UFO investigators. Wolf says that the director of one major US civilian UFO organization "is up to his ass in the Cabal". And he adds that another ufologist in Canada "gets paid for taking swipes at various UFO researchers". That ufologist's high reputation for UFO research is undeserved because he was getting a stream of leaks and tips from a well-placed official inside the intelligence community, thus he knew precisely what UFO data to look and ask for. That ufologist now gets frequently upset because his source "inside" is no longer available, having died recently.

As a presidential consultant, Dr. Wolf has visited Mr. Clinton in his White House private chambers, and he even dropped the remark that "Mr. and Mrs. Clinton sleep in the same bed", thus scotching rumors to the contrary. When Mr. Clinton was visiting Harfford, Connecticut, for a presidential debate, the presidential candidate took a side trip to consult with Dr. Wolf. And to this day, Wolf continues to provide advice to the President by encrypted phone and National Security Council courier. Possessing some of the highest security clearances, this man is in an extremely qualified position to know what the government knows about UFO's and ET's. He says he wants to tell President Clinton everything — "but I can't; my [NSC] bosses won't let me".

Wolf says that "President Clinton does not know much about Area 51; and he does not know about S-4" — the supersecret underground installation 13 miles south of Area 51 at Papoose Lake where Dr. Wolf did some of his research. "The President has ABOVE TOP-SECRET and Need To Know clearances, but does not have the UMBRA ULTRA TOP SECRET clearance to have access to upper-level MAJIC [MJ-12] secrets and KEYSTONE [ET research] documents, Wolf adds.

Like many federal bureaucracies, MJ-12 has tripled in size, Wolf reports. "It now numbers 36 members, including [former Secretary of State] Henry Kissinger and [father of the hydrogen bomb] Edward Teller. MJ-12 meets at various confidential locations, including the Battelle Memorial Institute [at Columbus, Ohio]." As an aside, Dr. Wolf confirms that it was Dr. Edward Teller who recommended physicist Robert Lazar for his position at the secret S-4 government base south of Area 51, where Lazar helped on back-engineering the propulsion systems of extraterrestrial spacecraft.

When I asked who was MJ-1, the head of the MJ-12 subcommittee, Dr. Wolf declined to identify that person. He did say: "MJ-1 answers to no one, not even the President." When I offered the surmise that Michael Wolf himself was yet another MJ-12 member, he hurriedly pointed out that he "could not disclose such a thing". And when I proposed that a notable scientist with a government background, residing in Arizona, was yet another MJ-12 member, Wolf responded with an uncharacteristic silence, which I took to mean that he did not contradict that identification.

Michael Wolf has formed acquaintanceships with renowned top scientists working on cutting-edge science. One such scientist is Dr. Hal Puthoff, whose research includes zero-point energy which may replace petroleum to provide a clean source of the world's power. Wolf worked on remote-viewing research for the government at the same time that Puthoff was doing so at Stanford Research Institute. Darrell McMillan of the Union of Concerned Scientists is another scientist Wolf says he knows, as is Dr. Stephen Hawking, the British theoretical astrophysicist.

Dr. Wolf asked me if I had seen the recent movie, Peacemaker. When I replied that I had, he said: "The woman in that movie was based on a real person I worked with — Dr. Jessica Stern of the National Security Council."

And, of course, he has met Dr. Edward Teller. Wolf characterizes Teller as "a nuclear humbug", referring to Teller's deception of making a presentation to President Reagan about an X-ray laser Star Wars weapon being almost operational when in fact the system had never been tested. Indeed, the system was subsequently discarded as impossible by other Lawrence Livermore Laboratory scientists.

Another UPO notable with whom Wolf is familiar is Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, former head of the NSA and currently Chairman of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). SAIC was identified by USAF Colonel Steve Wilson as the company which makes antigravity engines for US "copycat UFO's". When I commented to Dr. Wolf that USAF Colonel Wilson had identified Inman as also in charge of Decision Science Applications, Inc. (DSAI) — made up of the heads of corporations involved in classified military weapons development based on ET technology — Wolf said: "Inman doesn't know as much as the UFO community thinks he does. He doesn't know everything that DSAI is up to."

Wolf also verif1es that the former head of the Air Force Special Forces' Project Pounce (UFO retrievals unit), Colonel Steve Wilson, and Air Force Technical Sergeant / NSA analyst Dan Sherman, assigned to an NSA unit conducting telepathic communications with the ET's, are who they say they are.

Dr. Wolf provided a revisionist history about the beginning of the modern UFO era. "The first UFO came down in 1941, into the ocean west of San Diego, and was retrieved by the Navy." The US Navy has held a leadership position in UFO matters ever since.

A more famous UFO crash followed in 1947, northwest of Roswell, New Mexico, and the craft was retrieved by the Army Air Corps, as reported by Colonel Corso in his book, The Day After Roswell.

Dr. Wolf confirms the truth of Colonel Corso's disclosures, and notes that LED's (light-emitting diodes) and superconductivity are among the technologies which came from Roswell. The US was in possession of a Grey alien, dubbed "EBE" (extraterrestrial biological entity), from 1948 until his death in 1953. Government scientists first communicated with him using pictographs. About the alien-threat tone in Corso's book, Wolf comments that "it was co-author William Birnes who did the anti-alien gloss on Corso's manuscript", and that Colonel Corso himself did not view the extraterrestrials as enemy invaders.

Within months of the Roswell UFO crash, the US Army Air Corps became the Air Force; the National Security Act was passed, partly to deal with the extraordinary secrecy the Administration felt UFO's required; and the CIA was created.

Dr. Wolf personally pioneered a mental expansion process he calls "the Gateway Treatment" which "allows utilization of a vastly increased percentage of the brain in order for humans to mentally engage the extraterrestrials in full telepathic mental exchange". The Treatment involves "a way of opening the brain up, a way to stimulate the neurons; it allows billions of synapses to form".

Another project Wolf was involved in was subatomic particle physics research. He says his discoveries were "utilized" by his Ph.D. dissertation-advising professor "to develop the neutral particle-beam weapon for the Star Wars program".

Drawing on information from his work in genetics research, Dr. Wolf reveals that the entire human genome has been mapped secretly by government scientists. (This contradicts current government press releases which describe the completion date as early in the next century.) He says he has found an extraterrestrial marker gene in some humans' genetic samples, but that other humans do not have these ET marker genes. Further, he says: "I have found non-coding [extraterrestrial] genetic sequence genes in my own genetic material, more than the 'In-Betweens' have." ("In-Betweens" is Wolf's term for humans with hybrid ET-human genetics, due to ET intervention with their parents' reproductive material before they were born.) Wolf also reveals he has been around a research project where government scientists created human-extraterrestrial hybrids, attempting to replicate ET genetic engineering.

He explains that the harvesting of tissue from so-called cattle mutilations "is to prepare organelles to adapt to human bodies, to filter out particulates that are killing us as we pollute our planet". He says, "The 'In-Betweens' [human-ET hybrids] will help us and will bring the organelles."

The ET's have other concerns, too. They discussed God and death with Wolf. And they pointed out that all worlds are connected: "One Hiroshima atomic bomb can affect millions of cultures in the galaxy." They also told him: "Thought is energy. It doesn't stop at a galactic 'barrier' — it is received on other worlds."

Because of what he has learned, Wolf now says: "We are at a crossroads. The issue is to give a viable future to our children." He also notes: "Humans are beginning to change, to evolve, and are looking for spiritual roots. There is more to God than people get in church."

A fourth ultra-secret project mentioned in Wolf's book was a Department of Defense project having to do with cloning a human being in order to create the perfect soldier who would obey orders without question. A General Bunting was in charge of that project. The clone turned out to have been born with ethical thinking and the intuitive knowledge that life is sacred. Wolf says that when the clone disobeyed a test order to kill an innocent dog, "the project officer ordered the clone 'terminated"'. It was his judgement that "the clone had a soul"; so, instead, he "blew up the building" containing the clone project and surreptitiously allowed the clone to escape.

Naturally, Wolf keeps aware of significant individuals and developments within the civilian UFO-investigation community. One such figure is former Army Command Sergeant-Major Robert Dean who was assigned to NATO Headquarters in the 1960s. There, Dean read NATO's secret Assessment of extraterrestrials. Wolf says that he has "seen that same Assessment".

Dr. Wolf reveals that "the NSA and CIA regularly provide the members of MJ-12 with tapes of major meetings of civilian UFO groups"—for example, MUFON conferences.

He also mentions that some of the notable UFO investigators who have talked with him include Robert Bletchman, James Courant, Linda Moulton Howe, William Hamilton, Michael Hesemann and Dr. Steven Greer.

Some years ago, documents were leaked purporting to constitute a presidential briefing for President Jimmy Carter on extraterrestrial matters. Dr. Wolf affirms that the information contained therein "...is substantially true, but one page was missing from the leaked set. That page describes an individual of joint ET-human heritage who emerged two thousand years ago to try to end human violence." When I proposed that the page was referring to Jesus, Wolf confirmed that identification.

Dr. Wolf describes various extraterrestrial races. "One race has orange skin, very large heads and large dark eyes with no irises or whites, and six-fingered hands. During dissection their brains have been found to have four brain lobes, different optic orbs and nerves, and a sponge-like digestive system. ET brains are more developed and connected, and have no corpus callosum." He also describes a race dubbed "the Semitics", of average height and a generally humanlike appearance except for their very large, hooked nose. "This was the race which landed at Holloman Air Force Base [New Mexico, in the 1960s] and conversed with some generals there." Wolf also describes a very human-appearing race called "the Nordics". "The Semitics and Nordics come from Altair 4 and 5 and from the Pleiades."

Dr. Wolf also notes: "The extraterrestrials eat vegetation and mushrooms and have different requirements. They absorb energy from the air and [certain] particulates. They don't absorb enough water to need to void; they process thoroughly." He says that "cattle mutilations" tissue harvesting is not related to cloning, but rather is done to acquire nutrients for the hybrid fetuses the ET's create, and he notes that embryonic fluid contains an anti-rejection factor. He is also aware that not all cattle tissue harvesting is done by extraterrestrials; some is done by Special Forces teams.

Wolf says that crop circles "were originated by extraterrestrials and then badly copied by the military using Strategic Defense Initiative weapons emitting a laser-pulsed beam". He also notes: "...with crop circles made by ET's, the plants were still alive and grew [after being bent into pictographic patterns]. With SDI weapon crop circles, the plants die. These SDI weapons are operated from a secret base in the Himalayas."

Concerning extraterrestrial contact, Dr. Wolf states that the ET race commonly referred to as the "Zeta Reticulans", or "Greys", has engaged in diplomatic negotiations with the US Government.

When I asked him which extraterrestrial races he worked with in government labs, he pointed out that the two illustrations on the front and back covers of his book, The Catchers of Heaven, are actual photographs of extraterrestrials taken by an admiral friend of his. The ET on the front cover is named "K*L*T", which Wolf phoneticises to "Kolta" for convenience, and is the Zeta Grey extraterrestrial with whom Wolf has met most frequently. The ET on the back cover is a human-appearing Pleiadean named "Anon [Prince] Sa Ra".

In the course of his close association with extraterrestrials in scientific laboratories, Dr. Wolf was given a piece of extraterrestrial metal. This metal looks like melted silicon and has peculiar energy properties. It is 99.99 per cent silicon, with 0.01 per cent non-Earth isotopes. He says that when he placed the metal in water and drank the water, it provided healthful benefits.

Wolf is convinced that it was psychotropic directed-energy devices that were used by rogue elements within the UFO cover-up organization against certain UFO researchers pushing very strongly to end the UFO cover-up. These researchers include: the Director of the Committee for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI), Steven Greer, MD, and his principal assistant, Shari Adamiak; Congressman Steve Schiff who demanded UFO documents from the Air Force; and USAF Colonel Steve Wilson who revealed his heading Project Pounce, the UFO retrieval unit. Already, Colonel Wilson and Shari Adamiak have died of their cancers and Congressman Schiff has had to terminate his political career. And now Dr. Wolf has received a medical report which suggests a possibility that he may have cancer. It is not yet clear whether he still has access to a certain extraterrestrial honey-like substance that he took several years ago for his metastasized colon cancer, thus bringing it into remission.

Concerning the famous 1947 Roswell UFO crash, Wolf states that "it was actually two UFO's which collided in mid-air" during an intense electrical storm. "One contained Orange ET's, and the other, Greys." One craft crash-landed near Corona, northwest of Roswell; the other crashed onto the Plains of San Agustin, over a hundred miles to the west. Army intelligence units soon secured both sites and removed the craft and their mostly dead ET crews.

Another later ET-military encounter recounted by Dr. Wolf is similarly grim. "An extraterrestrial on the ground had traveled from Fort Dix, New Jersey, to nearby McGuire Air Force Base where _ he died on the tarmac."

Michael Wolf worked in several projects where he made discoveries which, in hindsight, he now regrets being involved with. He particularly had misgivings after he saw what applications these discoveries were put to. He says he now has "immense qualms about those misapplications"; he repudiates them and is repentant for them.

When Dr. Wolf was engaged in government-sponsored studies for his MD degree at McGill University, he carried out research on neurotransmitters and their role in mental functioning and control. Among the secret projects Dr. Wolf worked on was "remote viewing"—a military-intelligence term for "applied clairvoyance". He says: "Ninety-nine per cent of telepathy and remote-viewing research is classified."

Wolf says he went far beyond the crude Army Intelligence psi experiments of General Bert Stubblebine, Lt. Colonel John Alexander and Major Ed Dames: he developed memory extraction and memory "capping" (suppression) techniques. Some of his findings "were later incorporated into the infamous MK-Ultra mind-control projects of the CIA, and used on captured KGB agents" to extract information. He also worked in research on dolphins—"a highly-intelligent alien life-form on this planet".

While Dr. Wolf was studying at MIT for his Ph.D. in physics, he "discovered a new theory of wave-particle duality which led to the development of the neutral particle-beam Star Wars weapon".

Because of these classified projects, Wolf's NSC bosses forbade him to identify his dissertation-advising professor, and MIT and McGill are forbidden to acknowledge that he studied there.

Having access to NSA and CIA information, Dr. Wolf also reveals some secrets in which he was not involved. One, among the ugliest aspects of the Vietnam War, was the US's Project Arc Light—"the bombing of already-shot-down B-52s with 'Hellfire' incendiary bombs, totally incinerating any survivor crewmen, in order to destroy the secret documents carried on the B-52s". President Bill Clinton told Michael Wolf that he had learned about Project Arc Light while a student in England and that it had deepened his opposition to the Vietnam War.

Wolf also learned that the assassination of President Kennedy involved multiple parties and interests. "Many Cuban expatriates hated Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs invasion's failure. The Mafia hated JFK because of his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy's relentless prosecutions of high-level mobsters. Hard-liners in the CIA hated Kennedy because he wanted to pull the US out of an escalating war in Vietnam and because he wanted the CIA to disclose UFO information."

Wolf discloses that famed scientist "Albert Einstein had contact with extraterrestrial intelligence", and that a more recent understanding of zero-point energy "has to do with a white hole/black hole scenario". He says the ET's told him that the void is filled with energy to be tapped. Further, he states that experiments by the US Government using exotic technology "ripped holes in time".

Wolf worked briefly on assignment to the Mossad, Israel's intelligence organization. "The Mossad has very good relationships with the extraterrestrials," he comments.

Dr. Strecker's published research report, identifying HIV / AIDS as caused by a manmade virus, is correct according to Dr. Wolf. Furthermore, the government has learned that viruses are crystalline in structure and that the correct frequency can destroy them.

Wolf reports that "President Clinton has had a briefing on the Aurora [SK-33A] space plane" which operates out of Area 51. The Aurora "runs on liquid methane and has antigravity on board"—information identical to what retired Air Force Colonel Donald Ware passed on to this writer from a three-star general. Wolf said that the Aurora goes the Stealth planes one better. "It carries an electromagnetic pulse weapons system on board which can knock out tracking radar." He also discloses: "It can go to the Moon!". And he adds a tantalizing hint that "the U.S. has 'something' on Mars" besides the Rover.

Wolf reveals that the U.S. Government is working on prototypes of extraterrestrial antigravity discs. He says that the extraterrestrials traverse the galaxy by manipulating space and time to pull their destination towards them. "Time is reduced to zero, and acceleration is increased to infinity." He also says that the military is experimenting on having pilots use their mind to guide an advanced plane. Some government scientists have found that "some UFO's are living conveyances and can divide and re-form". Those "living conveyances" are apparently also responsive to thought commands.

Wolf discloses an incident that occurred on the Caribbean island of Puerto Rico during the Bush Administration. "A UFO piloted by extraterrestrials, with F-16 fighter escort overhead, landed in a Puerto Rican city in 1990. The purpose of this exercise was to test the public reaction of a select portion of the American people." (Puerto Rico is U.S. territory.) The mayor of the city contacted President Bush, excitedly told the President that "extraterrestrials got out of the ship and walked around", and asked Bush what he should say to his citizens. Bush referred the inquiry to Dr. Wolf at MJ-12 to formulate a response for the mayor.

Concerning the U.S. Government's slow pace of disclosure about UFO reality, Wolf comments: "The government is doing a balancing act because if free [zero-point] energy and all the ET technology came out all at once it'd hurt the stockholders [in obsolescent industries]. The multinational corporations don't want to lose their power." The last time Dr. Wolf heard, the timetable from the government for frank disclosure of UFO reality is somewhere in the period of 2001 to 2005.

For all his education and unique career, Dr. Michael Wolf is a generally modest man. He lives alone in a simple urban apartment and still grieves over the tragic deaths of his wife and son Daniel, lost years ago. Facing twin terminal illnesses of spinal degeneration and a wasting disease, he is dedicated now to trying to help create a better world for the children. "The children are the future," he says, and to this end he has directed that all royalties from his books go to the Daniel Wolf Memorial Foundation For Children, Inc., a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.

Dr. Wolf looks forward to when the secrecy about extraterrestrial contact with Earth is stripped away, so that we, our children and grandchildren can move forward to the next phase of our history, now cosmic in scale.

The Strange Story of J-Rod, An EBE
By Linda Moulton Howe

Source:Earth Files
http://earthfiles.com/earth043.html

When I first heard Bill Uhouse, a retired mechanical engineer from Las Vegas, tell his story of having been involved in reverse engineering alien technology at certain government facilities, I was both amused and bemused. I was amused because he indicated that the big boss of the project was an extraterrestrial biological entity that he knew as J-Rod who was supposed to have arrived on earth in 1953. According to another source called BJ discussed further in this article, the " J"and "Rod" were derived from early attempts to establish communication between the extraterrestrial biological entity, EBE, and U. S. scientists privy to EBE contact. Since the release of the MJ-12 Eisenhower Briefing Document in the early 1980s, the term EBE has come into popular use to designate diminutive, grey-colored humanoids associated with crashed saucers. Another variant spelling is Eben used by physicist Paul Bennewitz and others. Some implied that Ebens also were a class of EBEs with certain distinct physical characteristics and were said to be working with our military scientists and engineers on various projects. According to BJ, no language interface with the EBE existed in 1953, so a series of symbols were shown to test his reactions. Some symbols looked like letters and others were geometric shapes. The first symbol the EBEN pointed to looked like a "J." The other was an "inertial-bar" that looked like a rod. So, humans called the Eben "J-Rod." I was bemused because I wondered why he was disclosing information concerning a highly classified operation and was also skeptical about another "insider" with tales about Area 51 and S-4.

Kingman, Arizona 1953

Engineer Bill Uhouse claims there was a crash of an Eben aerial craft near Kingman, Arizona in 1953 and that four entities survived. That would have been six years after the more famous Roswell crashes and retrievals of "interplanetary craft of unknown origin." In Kingman, according to Uhouse, two disabled Ebens and two more that were in good condition were retrieved by U. S.government units specially trained for retrieval missions. The two non-humans in good condition were allowed to re-enter the craft and the disabled entities were taken to an unspecified medical facility. He also states that a recovery crew that entered the craft to inspect it came down with a mysterious sickness. The craft was then loaded aboard a trailer and hauled off to the Nevada Test Site north of Las Vegas. Bill Uhouse claims that the events at Kingman eventually resulted in the project which employed him to design and construct a flight simulator that our airmen could use to learn how to fly a saucer. Bill claims that he met one of the aliens who apparently supervised this project and was known as J-Rod . Bill says he worked both at Los Alamos and Area 51. Bill tells a fascinating story and it would have remained just a story until I read about a document that purported to be a technical paper on tissue samples taken from an EBE known as AQ-J-ROD. BJ says the "AQ" signifies Project Aquarius under the Majestic-12 group created by U. S. President Harry S. Truman in 1947 and assigned to research the crashed disc and non-human bodies that had descended upon the United States in the 1940's.

J-Rod, Technical Adviser, Nevada Test Site

On visits to the flight simulator, Bill Uhouse would occasionally see who acted as a technical adviser to the ultra-secret program that Bill worked on. It was J-Rod, a typical gray-colored EBE, hairless and without facial expressions. He had large, black wrap-around eyes or eye-lenses that are typical of these creatures. He is reported to be 200 years old, suffering from cell deterioration and still located at Papoose S-4, Area 51 in Nevada. But I can't confirm that. According to Bill Uhouse, the funny thing was how he dressed in human trousers and a loose shirt. His shoes were different, but I don't know in what way. His four-finger hands were long.

When a retired U. S. Air Force Major saw Uhouse's drawing of J-Rod, he said, "With the exception of the long fingernails and the bulkiness, this looks just like J-Rod. He was thin and did not have long fingernails."

Editorial Note by EARTHFILES Reporter and Editor Linda Moulton Howe: In September 1998, a source I interviewed at length who wishes to simply be called "Kewper" told me that he worked for both the CIA and the Army Signal Corps between 1956 and 1960. He was stationed at an Army school that taught encryption in the southeastern United States. His supervisor asked Kewper to join a highly classified CIA group to analyze photographs, drawings, documents and other evidence from around the world related to the presence of a non-human intelligence. Kewper said in August 1958, he, his boss and five other CIA colleagues flew to Nellis AFB, Nevada for a meeting with a USAF Colonel in an area built into the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake called S-4. There, the group not only saw seven round craft inside a hollowed out area of the Papoose Mountains, but were taken to an office to communicate telepathically with a grey non-human working in some capacity with the U. S. government. The drawing below is by Kewper of the being he saw in that August 1958 meeting. For more information about Kewper's story, see EARTHFILES.com Radio Archives May 31, 1998 Dreamland and Coast to Coast AM about Kewper, CIA and Area-51.

BJ, Dr. Dan Burisch and J-Rod Tissue Analyses

I sent a copy of the document I received referencing J-Rod to a contact of mine in Las Vegas known as BJ. She had been working with her friend, Dr. Dan Burisch, on anomalous objects appearing in images of Mars, especially in an area known as the "Inca City." It seems that Dan had previously worked at the super secret S-4 facility as Dr. Danny Benjamin Crain, a microbiologist who had taken tissue samples from an EBE. He was listed in the document I received as Danny Benjamin Crain, Ph.D. (Captain, United States Navy, N.R.L.) Working Group Leader, Project Aquarius, R-4800, Papoose Site 4.

In BJ's words, "When confronted with the evidence, Dr. Burisch became highly defensive, but later admitted that he had indeed been involved with tissue experiments of an 'unknown nature' which ultimately proved to be samples from an 'alien' source. It was also confirmed that the alien source material was obtained from an extraterrestrial biological entity housed deep underneath that base," in a secure facility that resembled a clean, perfectly round sphere or chamber shaped like a ball. Why? I don't know. This revelation triggered a series of problems: our Internet and telephone communications were suddenly monitored and suffered interference. The source of this interference was ultimately determined to be Dr. Burisch's former employers from "up there" who were monitoring everything that Dan said for fear that he would divulge sensitive information. He received threatening and intimidating visits from representatives of his former employers at his home and place of business as a warning to say nothing more on the subject. According to BJ, Dr. Burisch even had his hand broken and eventually his memories altered so he would not remember anything about S-4 and J-Rod. But a document was leaked from Area-51 bearing a Dr. Dan Crain's signature and describing in great detail the nature of the experiments that were taking place in the lab facility underneath Area-51 - experiments that Dan would not talk about. This document indicates that Dr. Dan Burisch (who had his name legally changed to Burisch from Crain in the mid 1990s) was the scientist responsible for entering the 'clean sphere' and taking over 200 tissue samples from the alien being housed there and for helping to coordinate the scientific research into alien DNA. The contents of this document are chilling. It describes in great detail the types of tissue preparations necessary for the alien tissue propagation and the use of human DNA taken from a cadaver to try to repair a neural failure among the 'aliens' which was thought to be genetic. It also discusses the team's unanimous disapproval of the genetic back-engineering efforts underway (by whose authority?) which could have a 'cross-breeding intent' of human and alien to apparently revitalize the alien species.

Excerpts from Leaked Area-51 Document Signed by Dr. Dan Crain aka Dr. Dan Burisch

"This document (identified as Q-94-109A) is routed to the appropriate MAGIC-level directorate authorities of the Naval Space Command, pursuant to UNOST (adopted 19 December 1966: enforced 10 October 1967)......the contents of this report are to be regarded as a final report (spec. K-24) of the Principal Investigator, Working Group Leader (R-4800, Occupant Papoose Site 4). "The results of IN VITRO experimentation under NSA/NSC directed Project Aquarius (Subintegument Neuronal Aspirative Avulsion Sampling Subsection King-35 {K-24, Extraterrestrial Biological Entity {EBE} also known as 'AQ-J-Rod' {JR}) are herein related."

The report goes on to state that: "....methodology required the introduction of the Principal Investigator into the Pressurized Clean Sphere, which constituted an I.G.A. - declared "Extraterrestrial Close Encounter (E.C.E.), Class IV.c." Under the section titled "ORDER", the purpose of the overall study was explained: "Determine, to a scientific certainty, the reasons for in vivo neuronal repair failure, at dendritic terminal ends, from a set of cellular samples, in vitro. Classify such reasons, functionally, to ascertain the mechanisms of such failure, then isolate the most probable pre-existing cellular conditions giving allowance to proper regeneration." (This seems to indicate that the study was undertaken to try to figure out why the "Alien" physiology was not repairing itself - at least in the neural tissue - the way it should.) The report continues..... [The tissue samples which were taken from the EBE was grown in an agar medium made of] "Equal combinations of pressurized dictostelium-desoxycholate racemic to 10.000/100.000 (%) and glucose-acetate." This medium produced the highest cellular, fibrilar growth rates. The report went on to say that "Nominal contamination-restriction protocols were followed" and then cited "Cross contamination protocol 6, N.R.L., Document Number Q-93-016B for procedural guidelines."

Brief History of Alleged Eben Visitors

EBE-1 was supposedly taken alive from one of the saucer crashes of 1947 and was housed in captivity in an underground area at Los Alamos Laboratory, New Mexico. EBE-1 died of unknown causes on June 18, 1952.

J-ROD was allegedly retrieved from a crashed disc near Kingman, Arizona and taken to the Nevada Test Site and Area 51, S-4, Groom Lake and the Papoose Mountain engineering bay research and development complex. Some insiders have implied that J-Rod might have been part of EBE-3's team, but I think he arrived separately after the Kingman, Arizona crash in 1953.

EBE-2 arrived in April 1964 for the first "official" landing and contact. Location was a highly secured Area 17 at White Sands (not Holloman AFB) located just south of the present Shuttle landing site. EBE-2 was described during an interview on March 5th, 1983 with former AFOSI agent at Los Alamos as being 4' 9" tall and having a very thin body: He was dressed in a tight fitting jump suit and having only four fingers and no thumb. Interview reportedly took place at Los Alamos National Labs at a Site 30 inside TA49. EBE-2 departed in 1984, according to two alleged CIA memos shown to me by a former Wright-Patterson and Sandia Labs employee. EBE-3 came as an exchange scientist in 1978 along with two aids. One aid was assigned to Groom Lake and the other assigned to Los Alamos Laboratory. EBE-3 was male and the aid at LANL was female. EBE-3 and his aids left in November 1994.

Another interesting read.   Click to watch Bill Uhouse tell his own story.